@Elipsus said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?: Once the updates start taking more space, you make do with what you have free, until you can’t do it easily, then you have to take time and man-power to optimize, find code that can take less space, do tricks with off-chip storage, etc., but its not easy As I understand it, we are not talking about storage aka ROM, but sheer memory. And as you might be able to free ROM, it is way harder to free RAM without compromising the speed of the execution. Even more so as those CPUs are rather limited in its computing power… We’ll see what Suunto can achive to resue the situation for the Vertical owners. @Egika said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?: Plus you might not have noticed, but Suunto Race has not received the full update, but has also run into a limitation (which is in the new maps display, like labels on contour lines, etc). Indeed, I missed that part. So, I’m even more lucky to have a Race S.

@maszop Thanks. And weirdly it has now synced correctly some 20+ hours after finishing the activity. That’s what usually happens an hour or two after I’ve grumbled about it on here. I’m inclined to suspect some sort of Bluetooth issue but whether it’s the phone or the watch I can’t say. It’s annoying.

@dreamer_ said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update: Thank you so much @joaquin . At this moment I’m very convinced about Suunto’s approach about being FAR superior than every brand of the market. I have a bit of doubt with just one thing, and that is the profile between checkpoints I posted (AID stations). That is the most important Climb screen in my opinion. When you are in an ultra race with many hours in your legs , that is exactly what you’d like to see. Altitude/descent and profile until the next checkpoint. That’d make everything just perfect. And a little minor improvement too. If you look at the comparison shots, the checkpoint dots should be smaller to avoid overlapping when there are many. Everything will be cleaner with just that slightly minor change. But I need to test It yet (and play with the zooms to see everything), thought. Pretty excited about this guys. This is very good work. Thank you so much for the thoughtful feedback, I really appreciate the level of detail in your observations. In the example I shared this situation happens mainly because the route contains a very high number of waypoints. In that specific test route I placed 16 waypoints in just 18 km, which is actually far more than what you would normally see in a real race course. I intentionally exaggerated the number to stress test the system. Even in those situations you will still be able to clearly see all the key information from your current position to the next waypoint or aid station. Distance, ascent and descent remaining, and the elevation profile up to that point are all visible and easy to interpret during the activity. About the waypoint dots, you are absolutely right that when there are many checkpoints close together they can overlap visually. In normal race routes this tends to be less noticeable because there are usually fewer checkpoints, but your suggestion about slightly smaller dots makes sense and would definitely improve visual clarity. As I mentioned before, the system is not perfect and there is always room to improve. Personally I would also love to see the waypoint name displayed in the blue data field in the future. That could make aid station navigation even clearer during ultras. Let’s see how it evolves. In any case I am really happy to hear you are excited about it. Enjoy testing it and playing with the different zoom options. I think once you try it during real activities you will see how powerful it is.

@EzioAuditore said in What do you think of the Suunto Spark?: @Brad_Olwin Yes I have the Pro 3. Great in everything except for running. Maybe I should try other ear tips Ang give it a try. But after the open ear headphones I don’t wont to be fully isolated. The Pro 3 have complete transparency mode so there is no isolation at least not in my experience. They also have an adaptive transparency that I find works well especially with noisy environments where background is a bit muted but nearby and abrupt sounds are well transmitted.

@safari @larrybbaker Great! so… let’s move forward to the next release: finalize group sessions Push To Talk sensor forwarding

@gkaempfer Same here

@Brad_Olwin @aiv4r I completely agree with you.

@brave_dave No, fortunately I don’t experience continuous disconnection issues. It only happens in water due to the physical limitations of Bluetooth transmission. When the arm comes out of the water, the connection is restored automatically without any problems. At least with the Vertical 2. Which device are you using?

The watch and phone are connected via Bluetooth, and I’m receiving notifications, but the app shows no connection. I turned Bluetooth off and on on the phone, but it didn’t fix the problem. What else can I do? [image: 1776097483350-a11.jpg]

I don’t know what the battery is. I’ll check. But I was thinking of trying to replace the battery. This morning, during training, the watch lost connection with the heart rate monitor again. So the problem still exists. This takes approximately 30 to 45 seconds and then the connection is re-established.

I was thinking this was about the titanium Race 2 because It seems you all are comparing the Race 2 titanium with the Vertical 2 titanium. But the thing is I have the Race 2 steel and I’m seeing a little discrepancy of what I have recorded with Garmin. But my watch is very new (2 days) and I need much further testing. There’s also something very strange with the Race 2 (at this very new moment for now). When I import a GPX track (downloaded from Garmin Connect) into Komoot to have the turn-by-turn indications while navigating with the Race 2, is like the indications are a bit later than they should (just some few seconds). When there’s a roundabout, or a turn it seems the watch pop-ups the remaining indication a bit later or even after the turn or roundabout. I need more testing but I’m posting this because I don’t know if it can be related with the issue you are posting here. And the thing is that those tracks are working fine in Garmin and other brands. Or perhaps does not have sense at all, but using the same track for both the Race 2 and the Vertical 2, perhaps there’s a mechanism to see if there’s any delay with the GNSS of the Race 2. I’d be interesting if someone could test the navigation with the same track and indications with the Race 2 and the Vertical 2 to see if there are GNSS discrepancies.

@borgelkranz said in Suunto and Concept 2 indoor rowing: @off242 what I can add: as of late, SmartRow does directly connect to EXR. What I learned in that context: there are different versions of the SmartRow pulley. The old, silver one and the new, black one. They seem to differ slightly with respect to connection. I own the silver one and EXR had to provide a bug fix for it to connect. The ability of EXR to connect to the SmartRow pulley directly is a fairly new development, and happened due to collaboration between the two companies. For those new to this, previously the only way to work was by a “broadcast” method, where the SmartRow pulley connected to the SmartRow app on one device (like an iPhone) then the SR app “broadcast” to EXR on a second device (e.g. iPad or Apple TV). You’re correct that the original silver metal pulley behaves a bit different from later black plastic pulleys. Both transmit in SmartRow’s own format as I understand with subtle differences. The “broadcast” method is either FTMS or very close to it. Some people disliked this method due to requiring two devices; additionally, the broadcast method adds a slight delay, so EXR is about a half-stroke “behind” the SR app. The new “direct connection” improves things in most regards, but has the negative consequence that sessions are no longer written to the SmartRow online logbook. EXR can write session data to the Concept2 logbook for those people, but not yet to the SR one. Additionally, SmartRow also has a “power handle” meant for air-resistance rowers like the Concept2. People who happened to get a cheaper air-resistance machine with poor metrics can get this handle to get more accurate data. However, I suspect the cost of a cheaper rower and the SmartRow handle would be close enough to the Concept2 one might just get that anyway. The SmartRow handle also works with the Concept2, and while C2 people don’t necessarily need better data (given C2 is the standard) the handle also has four buttons, each with two top/bottom selections which can be used to do things like control a music player and perhaps eventually may have game effects in EXR (like the Zwift Play buttons in the cycling world). SmartRow is working on a “handle version” for WaterRower to give those media controls over there as well, and that version of the handle has dual bluetooth support, which allows one to have that direct EXR connection as well as a second connection to SmartRow app for those who want consistent logbook records. I believe the handle versions qualify as FTMS based on SmartRow’s web site.

@snow said in New firmware 2.53.42: You need to start the activity Ah! Yes… That works. This was incredibly convoluted… Thanks. Hope my bumbling around will help other users. Edit: Everybody is talking about the Menu only accessible from the Map screen itself (the 3 lines/hamburger icon). Edit 2: And it works even without any Route loaded. Great!

@Squirrel The update hasn’t improved the problem with wakefulness detection in sleep tracking either… I’m recording about 30-60 minutes more sleep time each day than I actually slept… it’s such a shame, it skews the resource and recovery statistics… why does Suunto always smooth out wakefulness with light sleep? Has anyone heard if they’ve fixed this problem?

I’ve been using a Polar H10 and Morpheus M7 with both my Race 2 and Vertical 1 for road and trail running and CrossFit and have had none of the issues mentioned here

@Audaxjoe yep they’re headphones, so for calls and music, you can just connect to your phone and your good to go

The glitch is slightly more extended. I have to repeating alarms. One for mo, tu, we, th on 6:30 and one on fr on 7:00 (thank you Suunto developers for more fine grained alarm settings!!) This morning (tuesday), while I was dismissing morning report, I noticed morning report showed the alarm for 7:00. Have to say, I rather have Suunto working on an option to disable morning report all together than fix this bug. There is no info on morning report that I need to know first thing in the morning and now it is annoying to dismiss this useless screen every day.

@2b2bff yea ok, I agree that there is too many errors in a way how it is done at the moment. Maybe confirmation would solve it, but in that case it is not as low key as one would like personally do not care much about seeing progression there, since it can be quickly seen other places, like statistics or using tags.