@Joaquin sure. This is the usual route for these testings [image: 1777017435965-11888.jpg] The track is roundtrip: Up (with 2 additional forks) and down repeating everything again. All notifications work in both directions. It’s just about the accuracy of them, remaining the notifications inside and after the turns (refer to my previous post with the shots of the very first roundabout) About the microphone/speaker, I was only speaking about the audio navigation notifications since this thread is about navigation thinking in the use of the headphones (I.E, the Garmin Instinct 3 does not have a microphone or speaker but has audio notifications through the headphones (and that watch is able to even notify the roundabouts and despite It can’t show the maps). Suunto has already invested in the engineering of very nice headphones and with very interesting products that are already in the market (like the Spark). I think that with several software updates (both watch and headphones), those kind of products could be used as a very nice marketing thing (for something like an “ecosystem”). I’m thinking also in running indoor or treadmill when there’s no GNSS signal. But this is another topic, just to explain It further (and also to say that you already have the microphone and speaker in the market that could be used to go further). In my opinion, optional audio navigation notifications are sometimes incredible useful. Thank you so much

I’ve got about 1 week left of my return window…I’ve already sent one back as I wondered whether it only affected certain units and hoped I might be lucky second time round. I was also banking on it being addressed in the update…to me the accuracy fix would’ve been better than all the new features that came along. Might be time to try a Vertical 2…

@OutdoorMan said in Minimal watchface (feedback): @dreamer_ I personally just need to have a date in time only mode, because I never remember what date it is. And that’s it Totally agree. Battery icon also means you’,ll never forget charging your device but that is my feeling. I consider the rest of the things totally useless

@Egika thank you too.

Very Nice!!!

@Nikolai-Simonov said in Live location S+ app: It’s not a bug but feature! you don’t need to re-connect it each time, just take a 5-15 sec to connect. Thanks for all the explanations. The Bluetooth connection to the watch is a bit unclear to me, but I understand the general principle. And I confirm your explanation: even if the app says “waiting for S+ application…”, it will turn green as soon as the activity starts. However, I tried the live tracking again this evening during a run, but unfortunately, it didn’t work very well - version 1.0.16-ext (102) First, I had trouble activating tracking: the watch said it was connected (I had the GPS coordinates on the dedicated screen) and the app indicated a connection with the watch. But I still wasn’t located on the app’s map, either at the start or after a short movement. I had to stop the activity, disconnect and reconnect the app and the watch, and start a new activity to finally be located on the map and see my movement. Several kilometers later, I checked and the watch was disconnected (“DISCONECTED state:99”). I’m not entirely sure, but I think the app still indicated a connection with the watch. I tried disabling the Suunto app on the watch and then re-enabling it, disconnecting from the app and re-enabling it, several times, in various orders, but still without success. I finally gave up on LiveTracking. Last weekend, I also had some issues with version 1.0.13-ext (77) where I experienced a disconnection for a few kilometers, but the connection was restored afterward and the tracking resumed (with a long straight line corresponding to the disconnection). As I work in software development myself, I imagine it can be very difficult to diagnose with just this text information, sorry

@MdzOtt yes, SA is the one not doing it ;). In my case with Karoo Gen 3 I see same avg power with zeros included (gold standard) like you get see with garmin/Strava

I am also someone who have been using GPS watches for a decade and half now, starting from Garmin Forerunner 110 in 2011 and having Vertical 2 as my latest watch. I run in Pacific Northwest on mountain trails that are often under a very dense tree cover, under tall coniferous trees such as Dogras Fir, Red Cedar, Western Hemlock, etc. This is an extremely difficult environment for GPS and historically most GPS watches were very inaccurate. For a long time I thought that Suunto Ambit 3 Peak with its massive GPS antenna was perhaps one of the most accurate watches, but the new generation of watches with dual-band GNSS that have been released in the last few years, starting with Garmin Fenix 7 are amazingly accurate in this environment compared to anything we had before. The last generation of Suunto watches with dual-band GPS - Vertical, Race, Race S, Race 2, Vertical 2 - are all very accurate and some of the best in class in terms of GPS accuracy. But in my opinion, still nothing beats the Airoha GNSS chipset that was used in Garming Fenix 7, Forerunner 255, 955, and few other watches a few years ago. I think more recent GPS watches are a bit less accurate even though they may offer better battery efficiency. Here is a comparison of Fenix 7X Sapphire vs. Suunto Race S - on a similar terrain with the same map zoom level. Both of these are are examples of running downhill on a narrow singletrack trail. Both of these show 6 laps on the same loop. You can see that the track produced by Airoha GNSS definitely looks tighter with tracks from laps closer on top of each other. [image: 1776988567192-screenshot-2026-04-23-at-4.55.25-pm.png] [image: 1776987438944-screenshot-2026-04-23-at-4.18.40-pm.png] To be fair, more recent Garmin watches (Fenix 8, Enduro 3) are definitely less accurate than both Suunto watches and earlier Garmin watches. Also, distance wise I think Suunto is a bit more accurate. Garmin had a tendency to shorten the distance by 1-1.5% compared to the distance of the GPS track.

@thibault-b. Good job !!! I test the last version today. It seems perfect all information I need size … thanks !

@sky-runner right. Could reproduce. Reported it. Thx!

@Olaf-Gottschalk As I wrote in your original post from 4 months ago, there’s a workaround without stopping the activity. After disconnect, switch to Tour battery performance in activity menu (long press bottom button), then switch it back to Performance. This disables and reenables watch’s Bluetooth and power meter reconnects to watch.

@EzioAuditore said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Exited (crashed?) activity!: @sky-runner Did you have the same problem with the previous FW This the first time ever I had a crash like this. I’ve just started using Vertical 2 a couple of weeks ago (with the new FW from the start), but used Race S and Race for a year and half before.

@Tami999 the official Czech reseller is suuntocz.cz Thanks for the tip! Finally I can make my choice

@Manuel-Extreme There are 3 things Should the the watch always record data even if it can determine the data is incorrect? No Should suunto look into crashes? Yes Am I less concerned with loosing some heart rate data than you? Yes. My original reply is about the first point. But since it is an important point for you I will no longer capture your topic. (Btw, I was not able to reproduce your steps on my race 2, so it could be model specific)

@sartoric Ive had this happen to me on nearly every single hike/walk that I use the map. Too often for me to share coordinates every time. Considering its been nearly 3 years since this was first reported, what is the main issue?

@Egika My bad, I have a 9 peak pro and I assumed it was the same for all Suunto Watches ^^

@Łukasz-Szmigiel said in Is there still demand for a modern MIP endurance watch?: best part of MIP is its transreflective part. Meaning - it looks better when the light is shined on it, like in full sunlight. It doesn’t have to emit light to counter the brightness of the sunny day as the amoled has to. MIP is basically LCD - the same technology that was in old fashioned digital watches or in Ambit series. The only difference between MIP is LCD is that in MIP each pixel also have a memory storage (hence MIP = Memory In Pixel).

Hi. I also think the Vertical is still a good sports watch. I hope that in the next v1 update they’ll be able to include the altitude in the elevation contours in the maps at zoom resolutions that the MIP screen can display. Having them is useful in some conditions.