@aiv4r I would love to see the sales on the Apex 4. I am curious how a MIP screen is selling at that price point. The Pace 3 and the Nomad are budget so I am not sure they could be compared.

@Joaquin Since you seem to be connected to the Suunto development team, I wanted to share one additional piece of feedback about the elevation profile and climb guidance - the colors. What I find inconsistent is the coloring scheme that I suspect is based on cycling climb categories rather than the slope grade %. That may make sense for cycles because that have gears, in which case climb categories represent the amount of work, but these colors may be quite misleading for running and other similar activities. I’ve seen many examples where an easily runnable 3% uphill slope is shown in red color just because it is longer, but at the same time a fairly steep 12% grade slope can be shown as yellow just because its length is just below the threshold to make a higher grade category. That is often misleading, especially in longer distance races where even short but steep climbs are not runnable. Furthermore, by design yellow ascents can never be long because once they get longer the multiplication of distance and grade brings them into the red category. Here is what Garmin does - when you look at the end-to-end profile, it is broken into major climbs and descents, and the colors represent the climb categories. But once you zoom in, there are a few more colors (shades) and they now represent the grade, so in a single climb you may see multiple colors to give a more exact information. Those different colors are not separate climb segments but rather visual representation of grade within a single longer climb or descent. I find that fear more usable that Suunto’s approach. Also, Garmin’s approach mostly avoids slicing rolling terrain into dozens or sometimes even hundreds of tiny short ascents, descents, and flat sections - those segments are often so short (sometimes around 100 meters) that the watch can’t even track them correctly.

@Nikolai-Simonov I should be getting a run in tomorrow. Today didn’t work out

@EzioAuditore said in What do you think of the Suunto Spark?: @Brad_Olwin Yes I have the Pro 3. Great in everything except for running. Maybe I should try other ear tips Ang give it a try. But after the open ear headphones I don’t wont to be fully isolated. The Pro 3 have complete transparency mode so there is no isolation at least not in my experience. They also have an adaptive transparency that I find works well especially with noisy environments where background is a bit muted but nearby and abrupt sounds are well transmitted.

@gkaempfer Same here

@maszop Thanks. And weirdly it has now synced correctly some 20+ hours after finishing the activity. That’s what usually happens an hour or two after I’ve grumbled about it on here. I’m inclined to suspect some sort of Bluetooth issue but whether it’s the phone or the watch I can’t say. It’s annoying.

@Brad_Olwin @aiv4r I completely agree with you.

@leafs93 I can confirm that. Same experience here. Time to settle this with a measuring wheel.;o)

@brave_dave No, fortunately I don’t experience continuous disconnection issues. It only happens in water due to the physical limitations of Bluetooth transmission. When the arm comes out of the water, the connection is restored automatically without any problems. At least with the Vertical 2. Which device are you using?

The watch and phone are connected via Bluetooth, and I’m receiving notifications, but the app shows no connection. I turned Bluetooth off and on on the phone, but it didn’t fix the problem. What else can I do? [image: 1776097483350-a11.jpg]

I don’t know what the battery is. I’ll check. But I was thinking of trying to replace the battery. This morning, during training, the watch lost connection with the heart rate monitor again. So the problem still exists. This takes approximately 30 to 45 seconds and then the connection is re-established.

Race S, Vertical 1 have a slower processor than Vertical 2. My Vertical 2 is also loading maps way faster than my Vertical 1. Since you do this only once a year or so, I think it does not really matter. Just leave the watch on the charger over night and it will be done.

@borgelkranz said in Suunto and Concept 2 indoor rowing: @off242 what I can add: as of late, SmartRow does directly connect to EXR. What I learned in that context: there are different versions of the SmartRow pulley. The old, silver one and the new, black one. They seem to differ slightly with respect to connection. I own the silver one and EXR had to provide a bug fix for it to connect. The ability of EXR to connect to the SmartRow pulley directly is a fairly new development, and happened due to collaboration between the two companies. For those new to this, previously the only way to work was by a “broadcast” method, where the SmartRow pulley connected to the SmartRow app on one device (like an iPhone) then the SR app “broadcast” to EXR on a second device (e.g. iPad or Apple TV). You’re correct that the original silver metal pulley behaves a bit different from later black plastic pulleys. Both transmit in SmartRow’s own format as I understand with subtle differences. The “broadcast” method is either FTMS or very close to it. Some people disliked this method due to requiring two devices; additionally, the broadcast method adds a slight delay, so EXR is about a half-stroke “behind” the SR app. The new “direct connection” improves things in most regards, but has the negative consequence that sessions are no longer written to the SmartRow online logbook. EXR can write session data to the Concept2 logbook for those people, but not yet to the SR one. Additionally, SmartRow also has a “power handle” meant for air-resistance rowers like the Concept2. People who happened to get a cheaper air-resistance machine with poor metrics can get this handle to get more accurate data. However, I suspect the cost of a cheaper rower and the SmartRow handle would be close enough to the Concept2 one might just get that anyway. The SmartRow handle also works with the Concept2, and while C2 people don’t necessarily need better data (given C2 is the standard) the handle also has four buttons, each with two top/bottom selections which can be used to do things like control a music player and perhaps eventually may have game effects in EXR (like the Zwift Play buttons in the cycling world). SmartRow is working on a “handle version” for WaterRower to give those media controls over there as well, and that version of the handle has dual bluetooth support, which allows one to have that direct EXR connection as well as a second connection to SmartRow app for those who want consistent logbook records. I believe the handle versions qualify as FTMS based on SmartRow’s web site.

@snow said in New firmware 2.53.42: You need to start the activity Ah! Yes… That works. This was incredibly convoluted… Thanks. Hope my bumbling around will help other users. Edit: Everybody is talking about the Menu only accessible from the Map screen itself (the 3 lines/hamburger icon). Edit 2: And it works even without any Route loaded. Great!

I have to go deeper into user guide (and Spark app?) because yesterday I was on a small hike, watch recording activity, and listening to music into the spark. I accidentally launched « start activity » of the spark meanwhile ; after I stopped it, it recorded directly in the app a running activity with metric. Watch still recording my hike. I don’t know if it’s because I was not on a running activity or if running metrics are anyway recorded appart watch activities.

@Squirrel The update hasn’t improved the problem with wakefulness detection in sleep tracking either… I’m recording about 30-60 minutes more sleep time each day than I actually slept… it’s such a shame, it skews the resource and recovery statistics… why does Suunto always smooth out wakefulness with light sleep? Has anyone heard if they’ve fixed this problem?

I’ve been using a Polar H10 and Morpheus M7 with both my Race 2 and Vertical 1 for road and trail running and CrossFit and have had none of the issues mentioned here

@aiv4r no worries. I think the current way is not bad at all. It just need to be consistent. Having a 5km run as PB for 5k - great, Having a 10.xkm run as PB for 10k instead of the 9.95km race I did last time - accepted Having a 20.4km run as PB for the half marathon - what? And nothing I can do to decline that half marathon PB and go back to the one before… support hasn’t been that helpful with that, yet…