@isaac.net I totally understand your needs but at least for me GPS is not usable for speed during (short) intervals even with good reception. I use a stryd pod for the speed. GPS derived speed is not stable enough. But I don’t have a recent watch so perhaps it is usable now. Personally, I don’t care being 2 to 5 seconds faster or slower than intervals specified speed. The reason is that usually the speed that has been asked for running the interval is an estimation based on previous races or tests. But those tests/races have also some uncertainty (temperature, sleep, improvement since the tests, …). I am pretty sure that two VO2Max speed tests realized back to back (with appropriate days rest in between) would give most of the time results with higher difference than 2%. Without talking about the accuracy of the instruments which is around 3% meaning that if you change the test laboratory (or the testing track), the results could be up to 3% different. So, to some margin (around 10’/km) I adapt my speed up or down according to my current feeling. I think that precision is more valuable than accuracy and for short intervals GPS speed is neither of them. Just my opinion…

@FunkyLarma Thats a good point. I have the white one and it offers other things like Cadence and something else I cannot remember at the moment. I think those did create issues, but it finally started working in the last software update. I had horrible issues with it for a while because it would drop if another BT signal was available and it was almost as if the other device would cut in and turn off the connection to my Vertical 2. It was a mess.

@Joaquin Be careful not to chase perfection and in the end nothing is completed. The komoot route is a bit cumbersome and komoot is far from perfect (even if I tell komoot to not change the route, the route on my suunto race s is different than on my wife’s apple watch.) The garmin/wahoo way (select a gpx file and use the open with app) would be an improvement, even if not all tbt alerts are perfect. My first gps watch (a ambit 3 sport) only had breadcrumb navigation. Did I ever got lost? No. My watch after that, a forerunner 935, had breadcrumb and tbt alerts. (Which didn’t work well. A route could only have 50 navigation alerts and if you did your route reversed you lost all tbt alerts). Did I ever got lost? No. My first watch with maps (a forerunner 965) and having some context is nice. Eventually garmin fixed the 50 alert limit, but not the reverse problem and they introduced a timing bug (up to 10k the alerts are before a corner, after 20k alerts are in a corner, or after). And yes, on a twisty road you get alerts for every corner. Did I ever get lost? No. Now I have a suunto. Komoot is fine, but could be better. Autodetect of going reverse is good. No problem if I do a round route and the end is detected before the start (garmin has problems with this. Navigations stops when you reach the goal, which could be before you actually started). Autozoom actually works as one would except (garmin had autozoom, but that doesn’t work, or not as one should expect). But do I get lost ever? No. In the end, all are equally good in the “do not get lost” requirement. Is everything perfect? No. But don”t wait until everything is perfect. Release small steps. Get feedback. Improve some more.

@peegee If I understood correctly than yes same button on Vertical 2 can zoom in / zoom out. Short press zoom in long press zoom out. Same like middle button: short press advance screen long press go back (previous). Cheers!

@Ze-Stuart it’s really a pity. I really hope they can push an update soon to improve the user experience.

@Brad_Olwin Really? Very interesting as XC Skiing is my other Usecase for the Vertical. Sun and Snow together are so bright that the MIP really shines. Also the Solar power collection is welcome. For running I really like the Race S as it is much lighter and the OHR works perfectly since the last update. Waiting for an Ocean 2 Titanium in the Race 2 case. If the new display is that much better it would serve all my demands. But as long as RaceS (discounted), Vertical Titanium (used) and Mares Divecomp together cost less than the Ocean I will stick with this trio

@Tieutieu How and when? It doesn’t look like at all

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@matram ok right. I was confused. Workouts != activities. I can try to implement a workout upload but I see that ideally you need api access to suunto. for that I suppose you should mail them unfortunately.

Thank you everyone i will wait

@stromdiddily I love my Vertical 2. But when it comes to heavy interval workouts via TrainingPeaks, it completely ruins the experience. If I’m grinding through 10–15 intervals, I want to know exactly which one I’m currently on. I’ve brought this up in the forum several times before. The poor TrainingPeaks implementation—along with the missing native transfer of resting HR, HRV, and sleep metrics—is the primary reason why I can’t commit to Suunto 100% and find myself training with my laggy Fenix 8 instead. If Suunto finally fixes this, I’m all in. But as of right now, no way.

@Ldive Suunto has a dedicated department for this. So its not secondary.

@Triumph114 Thanks, yes have that working, it intermittent which is the annoying part.

@Adrian.S here is a way to fix this. Export both activities as fit files. Use a third party to merge the files and export the merged as a GPX exercise. Upload the merged GPX into the sportstracker website. The merged file will be present and if acceptable you can delete the separate original files.

@Niels-Søren-Bøgh I totally agree too.

I did indeed receive my Race S watch, and my old watch charges perfectly with the new cable, so I haven’t tested the new watch yet and I’m returning it now. Buy a new $70 cable is beyond reasonable in my opinion for a watch that’s barely 3 years old, and I absolutely don’t want to send my watch to the company and fight to avoid paying for the repair. So I went around my principles this time and ordered a cable from Amazon which works perfectly. My near vision requires a larger screen, so I haven’t chosen my next watch yet… To be continued…

@Squirrel completely agree. In fact, at this moment is very likely the Race and Race S are the only watches of the market without the white/red implementation. It’s not something critical, of course. But now everybody seems to like the flashlight in the watch, it’s one of those details that are very visible