said in your honest thoughts: Let’s say I do have a preplanned route, but for whatever reason I have to take a quick detour while having the original route in view and merge into the original route a bit further. Again, that is not possible because as soon as I zoom out just a little bit all the trails disappear from the map. So I can no longer use the watch map as a visual reference. This is more common than you might think because detours might be needed for a number of reasons - trail closure, decommissioned trails that I didn’t know about at the time of planning, a need to refill water, etc. Just one day after my comment I’ve run into the exact case I described above. Today during my trail run I’ve run into a sign that told me that the trail ahead was closed and wasn’t passable and I now had to find a way around. This is how it looked on the watch while I was trying to connect a few alternative trails and still keep an eye on the original route. I am just 150 meters from the route and already I have no help from the watch to find the way around. [image: 1767058502746-pxl_20251229_231952308.jpg] Also, adding salt to the injury, the crown stopped working (zooming the map) shortly after I took this picture and didn’t resume working until I had finished the run. Just perfect!

@Tomas5 yes, you’re right, I actually never thought about how one could interpret the “like / dislike “ button in different ways to communicate in different ways. For me it always was/is a way to show my respect/thankfulness for helping others or telling something interesting or just about being communicative, and I only dislike rude or respect less posts. I may be quite too sensitive to respectless behaviour, which is maybe rooted in my martial arts background ( In most traditional martial arts showing even the slightest bit of disrespect in tournament e.g rolling your eyes or just waving with your hand normally results in direct disqualification). I may think different about dislikes now - thanks

@Tomas5 how many people do you know who train to improve their vo2max by walking? By definition it’s maximal oxygen consumption and maybe I am uneducated, but you improve it by reaching a certain percentage of you max HR, by running/cycling intervals, hiit, anything that brings your heart rate up for a certain amount of time. At least this is how I do it. Certainly not by walking. Maaaybe hiking uphill. For me measuring it for sports other than running or cycling doesn’t make sense. But that is my opinion, I am not arguing.

@Brad_Olwin thanks a million - it does the trick! I use the OPTICAL Coros Heart Rate monitor. I tried working it out earlier withe the zones, and that explains why it did not work. But I set several scenarios as intervalls in the app - for instance a mode with only one Intervall, very long duration, my max heart rate that can run in the background for every general easy training. I tried it out twice and it works perfectly fine :)) slightly laborious of course, but certainly something one can get used to. I’m so glad you proposed this workaround! Saved my trainings. Also I set scenarios for the actual interval training I’ll start soon - very convenient.

@Tomas5 That’s what Strava Live segments are for - you can see how many seconds you are ahead or behind your best attempt in real time. Suunto watches do support Strava Live segments but you have to have paid Strava account to enable that on the Strava side. Then you can create a private segment on a route of your choice and keep repeating it over time using Strava Live segments S+ guide on your Suunto watch. You can also use one of existing public segments and see where you stand compared to others.

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@Tieutieu said in Q4 2025 Firmware Update Infos?: @Tomas5 yes when update will be out Exactly the answer I would have given!

@ChanOJ Have you tried restart before starting activity, by holding upper button for 12 seconds?

@sky-runner Thank you for your response. I couldn’t react since I can’t log in on my phone. I was away a few days. I didn’t use snap to route. I was just following my route and decided to go different. I just ignored my watch and didn’t change a thing. Battery mode was performance mode. Hopefully I’ll do another run the next days. But these are busy days

@Bigb0zz I am not aware of any other way to display the distance, sorry.

@prairiedog Well, at least I’m not the only one

After a few weeks of testing, the issue started to occur again. The OHR sensor turns off without warning and does not turn back on until the watch is removed from the wrist or a forced restart is performed. [image: 1766748113856-img_5821.jpeg]

@aplatonovs any newer watch than 9PP is a better choice. I bought a Race S for my wife as a replacement for 9PP and she couldn’t be more happier. No issues with the watch.

@tuxbuster said in Desktop route planner thoughts: But it’s a great tool for planning on desktop I’ve been running iOS Suunto app, including route editor, in full screen mode on a MacBook laptop. So that is an alternative option. Usually I plan a route on laptop and save it, then simply force a sync on my phone, and the route gets synced to the watch via the cloud. There is no need to manually copy any files, so the experience is even more streamlined than with the web route planner. Also, Android Suunto app should run on Chromebook and offer a similar experience, and it might be possible to run it on Windows OS or at least it was possible in the past. Alternatively, if you are a Strava user, integration with Strava route editor is equally streamlined. Basically, I add a route on Strava and save it. Then I force sync in the Suunto app on the phone, and Suunto app pulls it directly from Strava and syncs it to the watch. Very simple!

@gerasimos The original Suunto Vertical strap is quite durable anyway. The ones from the Suunto Race S are very poor quality – I used one with a Suunto Vertical and it broke after a few months. After a few weeks, I received a new replacement one, which also broke after a few months in the same way. [image: Photo-2025-12-29-01-14-25-PM.png] So, the price is premium, but the quality is shoddy, so I’ll rather buy a Chinese strap for a fraction of the price.

@GiPFELKiND I had forgotten weather source and could not look it up.

@Brad_Olwin @SuperFlo75 Thanks, I’ll wait for the update and hope it solves the issue

@teddycricket said in sleep tracking not working after most recent update: A soft restart returned the heart rate. As you did, I’ve always soft reset the watch to restore the functionality of the OHR sensor; however, yesterday I’ve tried to restore the sensor by switching on and than off the “Power Saving” mode: it worked! In this way you do not have to synchronise the watch before the reset to keep the latest data, obviously in case of you do not keep your watch constantly connected to the phone via Bluetooth.

@thanasis Yes, Suunto Smart for all the activities. I was afraid to ‘activate’ the battery drain using it, but no problems with current firmware