@FunkyLarma Thats a good point. I have the white one and it offers other things like Cadence and something else I cannot remember at the moment. I think those did create issues, but it finally started working in the last software update. I had horrible issues with it for a while because it would drop if another BT signal was available and it was almost as if the other device would cut in and turn off the connection to my Vertical 2. It was a mess.

@dreamer_ I’m built similarly to you so glad I stuck with the Race 2. Maybe you’ll change back after the update! I didn’t want to pay an additional £100 for a torch and bigger battery, neither of which I need. This would also come with more bulk and omission of the scroll wheel which I like for zooming the maps. I wonder whether this update will be included in the next quarterly one or a separate earlier fix…

@stromdiddily I think the main difference is that on Garmin structured intervals is likely a native feature that 3rd party platforms can plug into directly while in the case of Suunto 3rd party platforms have to go through Suunto+ Guides API where they become responsible for how the data is represented on the watch. Essentially it is Training Peaks that translates their structured workouts into guides and pushes guides to Suunto, and then Suunto is not really in control of how these guides are presented to users. In the last month I have been using Training Peaks extensively with Suunto, including following structured workouts every day. I agree with many issues mentioned in this thread. Also, I looked at Suunto+ Guides API and find it somewhat limiting for what can be done with it. It does support a small number of predefined layouts and predefined performance fields or performance targets, but the lap number is not one of them from what I can see. There is a small text field at the top - perhaps that could be used to show the step number, but that field doesn’t seem to have a lot of space in the layout. I may be wrong, but perhaps before Training Peaks can update the guide generation to include the step number, Suunto has to make the API a bit more flexible.

@sky-runner, same issues: my watch uses 7-10% battery even in power-save mode overnight.

@peegee If I understood correctly than yes same button on Vertical 2 can zoom in / zoom out. Short press zoom in long press zoom out. Same like middle button: short press advance screen long press go back (previous). Cheers!

@JungleJim @sartoric @2b2bff You’re all right !!! update the maps and got the remove button many thanks

@Joaquin Be careful not to chase perfection and in the end nothing is completed. The komoot route is a bit cumbersome and komoot is far from perfect (even if I tell komoot to not change the route, the route on my suunto race s is different than on my wife’s apple watch.) The garmin/wahoo way (select a gpx file and use the open with app) would be an improvement, even if not all tbt alerts are perfect. My first gps watch (a ambit 3 sport) only had breadcrumb navigation. Did I ever got lost? No. My watch after that, a forerunner 935, had breadcrumb and tbt alerts. (Which didn’t work well. A route could only have 50 navigation alerts and if you did your route reversed you lost all tbt alerts). Did I ever got lost? No. My first watch with maps (a forerunner 965) and having some context is nice. Eventually garmin fixed the 50 alert limit, but not the reverse problem and they introduced a timing bug (up to 10k the alerts are before a corner, after 20k alerts are in a corner, or after). And yes, on a twisty road you get alerts for every corner. Did I ever get lost? No. Now I have a suunto. Komoot is fine, but could be better. Autodetect of going reverse is good. No problem if I do a round route and the end is detected before the start (garmin has problems with this. Navigations stops when you reach the goal, which could be before you actually started). Autozoom actually works as one would except (garmin had autozoom, but that doesn’t work, or not as one should expect). But do I get lost ever? No. In the end, all are equally good in the “do not get lost” requirement. Is everything perfect? No. But don”t wait until everything is perfect. Release small steps. Get feedback. Improve some more.

@Ze-Stuart it’s really a pity. I really hope they can push an update soon to improve the user experience.

@matram ok right. I was confused. Workouts != activities. I can try to implement a workout upload but I see that ideally you need api access to suunto. for that I suppose you should mail them unfortunately.

@Brad_Olwin Really? Very interesting as XC Skiing is my other Usecase for the Vertical. Sun and Snow together are so bright that the MIP really shines. Also the Solar power collection is welcome. For running I really like the Race S as it is much lighter and the OHR works perfectly since the last update. Waiting for an Ocean 2 Titanium in the Race 2 case. If the new display is that much better it would serve all my demands. But as long as RaceS (discounted), Vertical Titanium (used) and Mares Divecomp together cost less than the Ocean I will stick with this trio

Hi agree the app need a profound re-design regarding diving. Basic : log dives number log dives separate dives by devices, when dive with Nautic & Nautical S the dive get duplicate Tanks stats gas used PPo2 bottom time surface interval deepest dive longest dive ascend time ascend rate Total dives Total EAN dives Total Deep dives Dive plans Total time Max time Average time Max depth Average Max depth Min SAC Max SAC In my opinion should be a specific dive section inside the app only to log dives, and able to hide all the other activities metrics.

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@Gunnar, Funny part, my watch uses 7-10% of its battery even in power-save mode overnight.

@Horizontal_2 exactly. Every watch has their so called “hero” watch face. It is pre-installed with the firmware. Which makes sense, as there must be one, even if you remove all using the app. Of course this hero watch face is not in the app. It is on your watch.

@Niels-Søren-Bøgh I totally agree too.

@Squirrel completely agree. In fact, at this moment is very likely the Race and Race S are the only watches of the market without the white/red implementation. It’s not something critical, of course. But now everybody seems to like the flashlight in the watch, it’s one of those details that are very visible