@Highlands big thank

@Joaquin Be careful not to chase perfection and in the end nothing is completed. The komoot route is a bit cumbersome and komoot is far from perfect (even if I tell komoot to not change the route, the route on my suunto race s is different than on my wife’s apple watch.) The garmin/wahoo way (select a gpx file and use the open with app) would be an improvement, even if not all tbt alerts are perfect. My first gps watch (a ambit 3 sport) only had breadcrumb navigation. Did I ever got lost? No. My watch after that, a forerunner 935, had breadcrumb and tbt alerts. (Which didn’t work well. A route could only have 50 navigation alerts and if you did your route reversed you lost all tbt alerts). Did I ever got lost? No. My first watch with maps (a forerunner 965) and having some context is nice. Eventually garmin fixed the 50 alert limit, but not the reverse problem and they introduced a timing bug (up to 10k the alerts are before a corner, after 20k alerts are in a corner, or after). And yes, on a twisty road you get alerts for every corner. Did I ever get lost? No. Now I have a suunto. Komoot is fine, but could be better. Autodetect of going reverse is good. No problem if I do a round route and the end is detected before the start (garmin has problems with this. Navigations stops when you reach the goal, which could be before you actually started). Autozoom actually works as one would except (garmin had autozoom, but that doesn’t work, or not as one should expect). But do I get lost ever? No. In the end, all are equally good in the “do not get lost” requirement. Is everything perfect? No. But don”t wait until everything is perfect. Release small steps. Get feedback. Improve some more.

@Squirrel completely agree. In fact, at this moment is very likely the Race and Race S are the only watches of the market without the white/red implementation. It’s not something critical, of course. But now everybody seems to like the flashlight in the watch, it’s one of those details that are very visible

@Niels-Søren-Bøgh I agree with this, and I was actually thinking about making a post like this myself.

@sky-runner I agree. Things have changed by a lot . Perhaps trail running is not the scenario nowadays. About that argument and if you go further with that and about the map, do you really use the map in a race with beacons? Personally, it’s very rare for me to waste time using it for running in a race with beacons, but I do not conceive a watch without maps (I’m not saying I don’t conceive the watch without the navigation arrow, of course). But is very likely you are running most races with beacons (there are those that do not have them, of course). Now looking at the shot I posted about the Fenix 8, they are using just a vertical line and not an arrow (I find much better Suunto’s design, not only for this but for datafields with big numbers without text legends). This is not a comparison, It’s thinking about the arrow. But if navigation arrow is (or can be) implemented the other arrow should clearly be removed and changed for something else. I see even mark using an opaque tiny rectangle, and matching the colour of the zone. There was another brand doing that (I think). This is just thinking about it. I’m not saying that should be done (at all). But in the other side, it’s very likely that is not something complicated to implement. It’s just about keeping things clean (and I totally agree with you in that).

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Another crash today at 11:45 CET. Logs sent at 11:52 CET. Watch used Vertical 2. I’ll send you my mail in PM. So far with the current FW both my R2 and V2 are crashing every 3,4 runs. Custom trail run mode Runna guide selected Navigation route selected without turn by turn Burner and ZoneSense Plus apps External Polar H10 V2 connected to Android (today’s logs sent) while R2 to iOS Details: Upon receiving of the “thanks for running with runna” notification I was heading towards the end of the route and was waiting for the end notification. The runna notification never disappeared. What I have noticed is that the notifications with this FW are not going away automatically (most of the time but not always) until mid button pressed. The details of the run in the application are missing: all the Suunto plus data (burner) and the asc/dsc are both 0. Technique part is missing too. Any news of a hotfix coming or should I downgrade? I’ll be switching to the Ocean for now and the training season, if that doesn’t work back to the Forerunnner. Thank for your help!

@Squirrel thanks!

How unfortunate that with the latest and last firmware, heart rate measurement stopping has become so much more frequent. Before it was extremely rare, at least for me but now it seems like it’s a weekly occurrence.