@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update: @dreamer_ Since you mentioned another brand that also uses climb guidance, I took the time to take a few photos for you. Here you can see how we display routes with waypoints and how other brands present them. I am not here to say who does it better or worse, only to show how we approach it. One thing I really appreciate is having five dedicated screens for Climb Guidance. This allows you to always understand exactly where you are on the climb and what still lies ahead. The customizable data field is also a real differentiator. At any moment I can display heart rate, gradient, estimated arrival time to the next waypoint, remaining ascent to the next waypoint, ascent or descent of the current segment, and much more depending on the activity. That is why I mentioned this earlier today. Suunto Climb Guidance is not perfect and there is always room to improve. We should always push for better. But honestly, the new Climb Guidance is already an incredibly powerful tool. You are going to enjoy it a lot [image: 1776171517361-img_3363.jpeg] [image: 1776171517476-img_3362.jpeg] [image: 1776171534210-img_3361.jpeg] [image: 1776171534244-img_3360.jpeg] [image: 1776171555527-img_3359.jpeg] Thank you so much @joaquin . At this moment I’m very convinced about Suunto’s approach about being FAR superior than every brand of the market. I have a bit of doubt with just one thing, and that is the profile between checkpoints I posted (AID stations). That is the most important Climb screen in my opinion. When you are in an ultra race with many hours in your legs , that is exactly what you’d like to see. Altitude/descent and profile until the next checkpoint. That’d make everything just perfect. And a little minor improvement too. If you look at the comparison shots, the checkpoint dots should be smaller to avoid overlapping when there are many. Everything will be cleaner with just that slightly minor change. But I need to test It yet (and play with the zooms to see everything), thought. Pretty excited about this guys. This is very good work.

@elipsus Thanks for the detailed explanation I appreciate the insight. I don’t really have the technical knowledge to go that deep into hardware topics, but I can understand that all these factors together define the limits of a device. That said, I still stand by my point: when a company sells today a watch at the “same price” with a MIP display, but it ends up receiving fewer or more limited updates compared to the newer V2 with an AMOLED screen, it can create confusion for new customers—and eventually lead to disappointment. In the end, the V2 turns out to be more than just a flashlight and a display upgrade… Most people who chose a device like this did so because they wanted a hardcore solar outdoor watch—so seeing it start to feel limited after just a few years is not ideal. I still believe this is part of a broader strategy that allows the company to keep evolving its product line—and that’s totally fair from a business perspective

@Gunnar said in Map Design Update 2.53.42: memory is not storage Unfortunately, I can’t find any information anywhere about the difference in RAM between the Race and the Race2.

@aiv4r @elbee Yeah, even though I would advocate to also include segments (fun stats to have) on the page as its own metric, I would be fine with how it is now if it actually updates Because now it is kind of flawed, here is an example: I participated at a 10km race, clocked in at 44:48 (official result time). The clock logs 9,65km at 44:59, which is ok (either the race track was not exact or the gps struggled in the urban environment but actually both). Now this did not update the 10 km personal best (which can be discussed if it should have). The distance was off by 3.5% and did not get registered. However, for other activities like the personal best for the half marathon it displays an activity that clocked in at 20 km and not 21 km. So the distance was off by 5.2% and still got registered. So the threshold appears to be set differently (tighter tolerance for shorter distances), That is why segments make sense as such a threshold would not be needed for anything that is over the desired distance of interest and the distance/time would be right. Then when I manually set the 9,65km to 10km it got registered as a personal best. But the run yesterday that clocked in at exactly 10.0 km did not update.

@elbee watch uses WiFi for map downloads. I left my watch at home while I ran an errand and all the maps downloaded without issue. The charger is no longer required- but the prompts still say to do it.

@Egika Ahh ok. Many thx

@Audaxjoe yep they’re headphones, so for calls and music, you can just connect to your phone and your good to go

@BrunoH said in Charging of battery: One internet trick was to put the device in the freezer for 30 mins Just be careful and do not charge while the battery temperature is below 0°C (32°F). From https://www.batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-410-charging-at-high-and-low-temperatures/ Many battery users are unaware that consumer-grade lithium-ion batteries cannot be charged below 0°C (32°F). Although the pack appears to be charging normally, plating of metallic lithium occurs on the anode during a sub-freezing charge that leads to a permanent degradation in performance and safety.

I am not aware of something changing in this respect. Maybe I was misunderstood?

1.0.16(93) appears to be working for me now. Thanks! I’ll test it on a run tomorrow probably.

@borgelkranz said in Suunto and Concept 2 indoor rowing: @off242 what I can add: as of late, SmartRow does directly connect to EXR. What I learned in that context: there are different versions of the SmartRow pulley. The old, silver one and the new, black one. They seem to differ slightly with respect to connection. I own the silver one and EXR had to provide a bug fix for it to connect. The ability of EXR to connect to the SmartRow pulley directly is a fairly new development, and happened due to collaboration between the two companies. For those new to this, previously the only way to work was by a “broadcast” method, where the SmartRow pulley connected to the SmartRow app on one device (like an iPhone) then the SR app “broadcast” to EXR on a second device (e.g. iPad or Apple TV). You’re correct that the original silver metal pulley behaves a bit different from later black plastic pulleys. Both transmit in SmartRow’s own format as I understand with subtle differences. The “broadcast” method is either FTMS or very close to it. Some people disliked this method due to requiring two devices; additionally, the broadcast method adds a slight delay, so EXR is about a half-stroke “behind” the SR app. The new “direct connection” improves things in most regards, but has the negative consequence that sessions are no longer written to the SmartRow online logbook. EXR can write session data to the Concept2 logbook for those people, but not yet to the SR one. Additionally, SmartRow also has a “power handle” meant for air-resistance rowers like the Concept2. People who happened to get a cheaper air-resistance machine with poor metrics can get this handle to get more accurate data. However, I suspect the cost of a cheaper rower and the SmartRow handle would be close enough to the Concept2 one might just get that anyway. The SmartRow handle also works with the Concept2, and while C2 people don’t necessarily need better data (given C2 is the standard) the handle also has four buttons, each with two top/bottom selections which can be used to do things like control a music player and perhaps eventually may have game effects in EXR (like the Zwift Play buttons in the cycling world). SmartRow is working on a “handle version” for WaterRower to give those media controls over there as well, and that version of the handle has dual bluetooth support, which allows one to have that direct EXR connection as well as a second connection to SmartRow app for those who want consistent logbook records. I believe the handle versions qualify as FTMS based on SmartRow’s web site.

I can confirm now : extra battery drain on daily use has been fixed

The glitch is slightly more extended. I have to repeating alarms. One for mo, tu, we, th on 6:30 and one on fr on 7:00 (thank you Suunto developers for more fine grained alarm settings!!) This morning (tuesday), while I was dismissing morning report, I noticed morning report showed the alarm for 7:00. Have to say, I rather have Suunto working on an option to disable morning report all together than fix this bug. There is no info on morning report that I need to know first thing in the morning and now it is annoying to dismiss this useless screen every day.

I have the same problem for 7 days. It is not possibile doing neither soft nor hard reset. No answer from Suunto Help Desk. Really disappointed. The only thing i can do is buying a new Watch

I was thinking this was about the titanium Race 2 because It seems you all are comparing the Race 2 titanium with the Vertical 2 titanium. But the thing is I have the Race 2 steel and I’m seeing a little discrepancy of what I have recorded with Garmin. But my watch is very new (2 days) and I need much further testing. There’s also something very strange with the Race 2 (at this very new moment for now). When I import a GPX track (downloaded from Garmin Connect) into Komoot to have the turn-by-turn indications while navigating with the Race 2, is like the indications are a bit later than they should (just some few seconds). When there’s a roundabout, or a turn it seems the watch pop-ups the remaining indication a bit later or even after the turn or roundabout. I need more testing but I’m posting this because I don’t know if it can be related with the issue you are posting here. And the thing is that those tracks are working fine in Garmin and other brands. Or perhaps does not have sense at all, but using the same track for both the Race 2 and the Vertical 2, perhaps there’s a mechanism to see if there’s any delay with the GNSS of the Race 2. I’d be interesting if someone could test the navigation with the same track and indications with the Race 2 and the Vertical 2 to see if there are GNSS discrepancies.

@2b2bff you perfectly right! I’ve checked and I had zonesense for trail mode. Thanks a lot! Instead yesterday night the ohr does not work and this cause a bad recording info for the sleeping data. I think it’s the first time after a lot of correct night!I would like to add the usually the data ara incredible align with the real info (I’m a father and when my son wake up in the night and I bring him in parents bed, the watch are able to capture this awake time)