@isaac.net I totally understand your needs but at least for me GPS is not usable for speed during (short) intervals even with good reception. I use a stryd pod for the speed. GPS derived speed is not stable enough. But I don’t have a recent watch so perhaps it is usable now. Personally, I don’t care being 2 to 5 seconds faster or slower than intervals specified speed. The reason is that usually the speed that has been asked for running the interval is an estimation based on previous races or tests. But those tests/races have also some uncertainty (temperature, sleep, improvement since the tests, …). I am pretty sure that two VO2Max speed tests realized back to back (with appropriate days rest in between) would give most of the time results with higher difference than 2%. Without talking about the accuracy of the instruments which is around 3% meaning that if you change the test laboratory (or the testing track), the results could be up to 3% different. So, to some margin (around 10’/km) I adapt my speed up or down according to my current feeling. I think that precision is more valuable than accuracy and for short intervals GPS speed is neither of them. Just my opinion…

@Mff73 always nice when someone else has done the work! Thanks, I didn’t know about that post, or Sonny’s work.

@Highlands said in Suunto Vertical 1 – A Few Questions About the Future + Questions About the Vertical 2 and a Comparison with the Coros Nomad / the New Vertix 2026: @dreamer_ I hope they put a sapphire crystal on R2S. About this, I think my wife’s 46mm Run could fit a 1.4 inches screen. Perhaps they could fit that screen aize in the Race 2 S playing with the bezels and making you think the watch is not that “S” but something comparable to a Fenix 8 47mm . That simple change would make a lot of noise for marketing in my opinion and very likely much better sales (just for that)

@FunkyLarma Thats a good point. I have the white one and it offers other things like Cadence and something else I cannot remember at the moment. I think those did create issues, but it finally started working in the last software update. I had horrible issues with it for a while because it would drop if another BT signal was available and it was almost as if the other device would cut in and turn off the connection to my Vertical 2. It was a mess.

@Brad_Olwin Really? Very interesting as XC Skiing is my other Usecase for the Vertical. Sun and Snow together are so bright that the MIP really shines. Also the Solar power collection is welcome. For running I really like the Race S as it is much lighter and the OHR works perfectly since the last update. Waiting for an Ocean 2 Titanium in the Race 2 case. If the new display is that much better it would serve all my demands. But as long as RaceS (discounted), Vertical Titanium (used) and Mares Divecomp together cost less than the Ocean I will stick with this trio

@Łukasz-Szmigiel I loaded it up and was able to start an activity. However when I hit the lap button Constantin disappeared the first time I tried. On the second attempt I was able to keep it on the screen. Looks like it might be fixed.

@2b2bff well well well … if you tell to someone who is doing a diet that he lost 5000 g and to his wife that she lost 5 kg … you are right … this is not the same … the wife will be super happy but the man wearing a suunto and for who 43 and 43.0 make a difference will start to question himself about the precision of instrument … how it could have been possible that he arrives preciselly to exact 5000 Joking !!!

@Ze-Stuart it’s really a pity. I really hope they can push an update soon to improve the user experience.

@Stefano-M64 darn it, package got lost somewhere… still waiting

@Elipsus no worries, I just shared the “why” : )

@elbee I agree, there should be a simple toggle for morning report without doing anything about sleep tracking.

@Joaquin Be careful not to chase perfection and in the end nothing is completed. The komoot route is a bit cumbersome and komoot is far from perfect (even if I tell komoot to not change the route, the route on my suunto race s is different than on my wife’s apple watch.) The garmin/wahoo way (select a gpx file and use the open with app) would be an improvement, even if not all tbt alerts are perfect. My first gps watch (a ambit 3 sport) only had breadcrumb navigation. Did I ever got lost? No. My watch after that, a forerunner 935, had breadcrumb and tbt alerts. (Which didn’t work well. A route could only have 50 navigation alerts and if you did your route reversed you lost all tbt alerts). Did I ever got lost? No. My first watch with maps (a forerunner 965) and having some context is nice. Eventually garmin fixed the 50 alert limit, but not the reverse problem and they introduced a timing bug (up to 10k the alerts are before a corner, after 20k alerts are in a corner, or after). And yes, on a twisty road you get alerts for every corner. Did I ever get lost? No. Now I have a suunto. Komoot is fine, but could be better. Autodetect of going reverse is good. No problem if I do a round route and the end is detected before the start (garmin has problems with this. Navigations stops when you reach the goal, which could be before you actually started). Autozoom actually works as one would except (garmin had autozoom, but that doesn’t work, or not as one should expect). But do I get lost ever? No. In the end, all are equally good in the “do not get lost” requirement. Is everything perfect? No. But don”t wait until everything is perfect. Release small steps. Get feedback. Improve some more.

@manno02 I’m not using the vertical 2 but this issues seem to happen across several devices. I stopped using the chest strap until this is solved because the OHR works fine on the Suunto Run.

@jmlee I’m sorry it didn’t work. I’ll ask a friend if he’ll let me try it with his 9PP and let you know.

@Thlcd great comparison. I also have noticed that the last update, although full of bugs and battery eating, greatly improved the wrist HR on the Race S. Previously I only used the HR chest strap, but after reading comments here I gave it a chance for walking and body building – for biking the watch is on the handlebar, so I need the strap. Well, after a few tries, I have to say that finally it seems that it works well!

@peegee If I understood correctly than yes same button on Vertical 2 can zoom in / zoom out. Short press zoom in long press zoom out. Same like middle button: short press advance screen long press go back (previous). Cheers!

Have to say, what you don’t know you cannot miss. But last year, in a very dark hotelroom, the screenflashlight of my race s was sufficient for my wife to find something on the table while I could stay in bed. So, for now, I’m in “what’s all the fuss about” mode. The digital crown of my race s is complex. Just using it to scroll up or down through menus or items is hideous. The 5 button layout of my previous garmin was better, but with touchscreen I don’t use the buttons very often. But to zoom in and out in a map it’s great. Again with a but. I was used to zoom on the garmin and it was horrible. Complex and buggy as hell. So is the crown just better that worst case garmin or would a 5 button Suunto implementation beat the digital crown? Might. perhaps. Not unlikely. Have to say, the race s provides the features I want in the smallest possible case, so the vertical 2 wouldn’t be competition for my race s (for me). So 5 buttons or a digital crown wasn’t a consideration. Have to say, 5 buttons shouts a bit more outdoorsy and a digital crown a bit more watch like.