After a few weeks of testing, the issue started to occur again. The OHR sensor turns off without warning and does not turn back on until the watch is removed from the wrist or a forced restart is performed. [image: 1766748113856-img_5821.jpeg]

@PetrMisek But if you look, the graph perfectly shows the problem. One could think, not knowing, that you slept from midnight until 5 PM the next day. It is not helpful at all. Also, why does the axis show 120 percent? Is this another bug by Suunto? And then again, right after the activity, there is a rapid rise in the resources.

I had this problem, but could not re-create it since Dec 15. I had six alpine skiing activities since, three or four XC skiing, a bunch (almost every day) indoor exercises, and a walk. At the end of every alpine skiing I check for the problem (to send the logs, potentially), but it did not happen again.

@TED77 But generally, the number itself doesn’t matter, nor do these types of comparisons. If the trend or graph is more or less the same in both tools, the difference in numerical values ​​can simply be ignored.

Just to throw a thought in here, as a (newly minted) Run user: the barometer field needs some help. In Imperial units (which I as American have a love hate relationship with) it shows to the ones place for inHg—literally useless information because it would be the equivalent of showing only to the hundreds place hPa! And whats worse, the barometer trendline (far more useful, and a staple of suunto watches across decades of product lines) isn’t an option at all, despite showing up in the preview (alongside value, in the same field) for “Concentric Analog”. Not sure if that could be fixed faster since it applies uniformly to all existing watchfaces, but man alive is it annoying… As for needing new designs, I agree with many on this thread that have pointed out a lot of the designs work quite well, and a lot of it comes down to taste. However, as the OP pointed out, there’s some very minor tweaks that could help tremendously, including functional changes like my above noted barometer problem…

@Olaf-Gottschalk

@Tomas5 yes, you’re right, I actually never thought about how one could interpret the “like / dislike “ button in different ways to communicate in different ways. For me it always was/is a way to show my respect/thankfulness for helping others or telling something interesting or just about being communicative, and I only dislike rude or respect less posts. I may be quite too sensitive to respectless behaviour, which is maybe rooted in my martial arts background ( In most traditional martial arts showing even the slightest bit of disrespect in tournament e.g rolling your eyes or just waving with your hand normally results in direct disqualification). I may think different about dislikes now - thanks

@Tieutieu said in Q4 2025 Firmware Update Infos?: @Tomas5 yes when update will be out Exactly the answer I would have given!

I love my Suunto watch thanks! As always, people will want things that aren’t available and for me that’s two things - Watch faces with larger, more readable complications. It’s not hard to do, just increase the size, test it on people like me, then add it to the list. Building a cloud architecture to store watch settings in a granular fashion so for example I could do a clean install but only restore routes and custom sports - which is a much more complex undertaking! My only other criticism is that I don’t have enough money to buy a Vertical 2

@Audaxjoe Navigation and map should not be confused. These are two independent layers rendered one on top of another. Navigation can be used without a map as we have done for many years starting with Ambit series. Navigation track is rendered at any zoom level. Similarly, map can be used with or without navigation. I often use just map for quick exploration of when I know the area in general but may not remember some specific details. For example, here is a fairly common case for me case: I follow a trail and I remember that somewhere ahead there is a shortcut to another trail. I don’t have a preplanned navigation so I want to glance at the map from time to time to not miss that shortcut. The problem is that the radius of visibility is so short that I pretty much have to constantly look at the map to not miss that shortcut - I can’t see further than about 1 minute of running. So this kind of on the fly visual navigation is not really possible. Here is another example. Let’s say I do have a preplanned route, but for whatever reason I have to take a quick detour while having the original route in view and merge into the original route a bit further. Again, that is not possible because as soon as I zoom out just a little bit all the trails disappear from the map. So I can no longer use the watch map as a visual reference. This is more common than you might think because detours might be needed for a number of reasons - trail closure, decommissioned trails that I didn’t know about at the time of planning, a need to refill water, etc. To be honest, unless I have a preplanned navigation route and follow it exactly as planned without any deviation, using the map on my Suunto watch often frustrates me. I often have to stop and pull the phone and look at the map on the phone. I certainly almost never had to do that when I owned Garmin Fenix or even when I used Suunto Race prior to July 2025 update. This is the main reason I haven’t upgraded to Vertical 2 yet. At this point, weighing all factors, Suunto still continues being the best watch for me, but just because it is the best choice from multiple not so good choices. But if Garmin addresses the map rendering and orientation fluidity, I’ll likely switch back to Garmin. Similarly, if Coros releases a watch with a large AMOLED display with the battery life similar to Race 2 or Vertical 2, I’ll switch to Coros because Coros maps are better.

It’s nice to see some positive comments, so many posts are pretty negative. I fully agree with your experience. I have switched between Suunto and Garmin for 20+ years. Over time, each had their strengths and weaknesses. I think Suunto Race 2 is one of the best options sports and adventure watches available. The UI is logical, intuitive and provides simple and effective options for navigating with the 2 buttons, scroll wheel (great for map zooming in and out), and touchscreen. The data is spot on, no fluff, and the new oHR sensor works great. I personally like the architecture of keeping Suunto Plus apps separate - you add only stuff you want, unlike Garmin packing it all into the base watch (and making it cluttered and more of a learning curve). It looks amazing and feels great on the wrist. I won’t be switching back to Garmin anytime soon if ever. Three improvements I would like to see (1) add routable maps with trail and feature names (2) allow more than 2 Suunto Plus apps to run during an activity (3) sync all data both ways between the watch and app so all data is global (like the app) vs local to the watch. That would allow for multiple watches to act as one from a data perspective. It would also allow data added from other sources (bike computer, manually entered) be reflected on the watch. My 3 cents.

@owend I also once had that problem with hr data. but in that training I paused the training and then continued. later I noticed that problem in the application.

@duffman19 Same problem still persists on my V1.

@Horizontal_2 I agree it’s probably not a real issue to worry about the level at which to recharge. BTW the battery warranty is for one year (and the 300 cycles only if they come earlier).

@Armin-M it’s funny because it is just the way from the watch to the Phone not working. Information from the Phone to the watch worked well.

It is normal i have to reset every 2 to 4 days my phone just because a part of the Communication between watch and phone is not anymore working? And the Information (Sync with Suunto App) why sometimes it takes hours to go away, what information need so long to travel. the phone is normaly not more then 1 to 5m away ? [image: 1766766193762-20251216_094250_cut.jpg]

@TED77 luckily I have both Suunto and Polar belts, so I just switched to Suunto and gave Polar to my wife, since she’s an Apple girl and has no problems with H10 that is my solution

@Bigb0zz it’s not an issue to fix, but a design decision. The time would only fit if the font size of the data fields was made smaller. You may rearrange your data fields to avoid fields in the top row, which interfere with the time display.