@sky-runner That’s interesting. I’ve just come back to Suunto from Coros and the maps are better than was available on my first series Apex Pro. I considered the new Apex 4 (which does have better mapping) but I wanted to try AMOLED for better visibility with older eyesight and mapping wasn’t my first priority. Having said that I would value having more path detail on the wider zoom settings. I’m a fell runner - part of the game is traditional navigation with a map and compass and independent route choice between checkpoints. Use of a GPS device is against the rules except in an emergency. But at other times, randomly exploring, especially in unfamiliar locations it would be nice to leave the map in the bag and be able to know there was a path on the opposite side of this ridgeline or that a track I’m following meets another a mile ahead. So Suunto yes please from me, I’d like the path detail on wider zoom settings too.

@Tomas5 yes, you’re right, I actually never thought about how one could interpret the “like / dislike “ button in different ways to communicate in different ways. For me it always was/is a way to show my respect/thankfulness for helping others or telling something interesting or just about being communicative, and I only dislike rude or respect less posts. I may be quite too sensitive to respectless behaviour, which is maybe rooted in my martial arts background ( In most traditional martial arts showing even the slightest bit of disrespect in tournament e.g rolling your eyes or just waving with your hand normally results in direct disqualification). I may think different about dislikes now - thanks

@Tieutieu said in Q4 2025 Firmware Update Infos?: @Tomas5 yes when update will be out Exactly the answer I would have given!

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@OutdoorMan this would be a workaround, but not a real solution. I would like to see an alarm that sounds a sound and vibrates to draw your attention to the fact that you reached (or exceeded) a target HR. I know that some of us want to reach a certain target zone when exercising, but some (other) of us need to watch the max HR (I don’t want to have a cardiac arrest when I am climbing ambitiously a hill on my bike ). Btw. it is available on many bike computers. On my Garmin Edge, the alarm will sound, but it is hardly noticeable (and the text does not even change colour). I am afraid that it is designed as an alert for reaching a target zone (as opposed to a real “ALARM” (“slow down or you will die” type).

@sky-runner Thank you for your response. I couldn’t react since I can’t log in on my phone. I was away a few days. I didn’t use snap to route. I was just following my route and decided to go different. I just ignored my watch and didn’t change a thing. Battery mode was performance mode. Hopefully I’ll do another run the next days. But these are busy days

I had this problem, but could not re-create it since Dec 15. I had six alpine skiing activities since, three or four XC skiing, a bunch (almost every day) indoor exercises, and a walk. At the end of every alpine skiing I check for the problem (to send the logs, potentially), but it did not happen again.

After a few weeks of testing, the issue started to occur again. The OHR sensor turns off without warning and does not turn back on until the watch is removed from the wrist or a forced restart is performed. [image: 1766748113856-img_5821.jpeg]

I have this issue you described with my SV1… it appeared after the last firmware update. I used two belts, one was really new, both belts the same crazy behavior. In my opinion, it’s the watch firmware.

So suunto Ai couch is not usable in this scenario and suunto plus apps are specificaly used for improve running speed but not something i am looking for. For now i will stick to target hearth rate zone. It will provide basic feedback. Unfortunatelly route has diffrent grade in different parts so by walking fast i will not be able to reach hearthrate zone on flat part of it.

@aplatonovs any newer watch than 9PP is a better choice. I bought a Race S for my wife as a replacement for 9PP and she couldn’t be more happier. No issues with the watch.

@tuxbuster said in Desktop route planner thoughts: But it’s a great tool for planning on desktop I’ve been running iOS Suunto app, including route editor, in full screen mode on a MacBook laptop. So that is an alternative option. Usually I plan a route on laptop and save it, then simply force a sync on my phone, and the route gets synced to the watch via the cloud. There is no need to manually copy any files, so the experience is even more streamlined than with the web route planner. Also, Android Suunto app should run on Chromebook and offer a similar experience, and it might be possible to run it on Windows OS or at least it was possible in the past. Alternatively, if you are a Strava user, integration with Strava route editor is equally streamlined. Basically, I add a route on Strava and save it. Then I force sync in the Suunto app on the phone, and Suunto app pulls it directly from Strava and syncs it to the watch. Very simple!

@gerasimos The original Suunto Vertical strap is quite durable anyway. The ones from the Suunto Race S are very poor quality – I used one with a Suunto Vertical and it broke after a few months. After a few weeks, I received a new replacement one, which also broke after a few months in the same way. [image: Photo-2025-12-29-01-14-25-PM.png] So, the price is premium, but the quality is shoddy, so I’ll rather buy a Chinese strap for a fraction of the price.

@Squirrel OMG! Laughing to keep from crying. ‍️

@Audaxjoe correct; you can “force stop” the app (SA) and it helps. Btw. I had this problem for a while, but it disappeared around two weeks ago. Maybe, the new version of SA solved it

Just to throw a thought in here, as a (newly minted) Run user: the barometer field needs some help. In Imperial units (which I as American have a love hate relationship with) it shows to the ones place for inHg—literally useless information because it would be the equivalent of showing only to the hundreds place hPa! And whats worse, the barometer trendline (far more useful, and a staple of suunto watches across decades of product lines) isn’t an option at all, despite showing up in the preview (alongside value, in the same field) for “Concentric Analog”. Not sure if that could be fixed faster since it applies uniformly to all existing watchfaces, but man alive is it annoying… As for needing new designs, I agree with many on this thread that have pointed out a lot of the designs work quite well, and a lot of it comes down to taste. However, as the OP pointed out, there’s some very minor tweaks that could help tremendously, including functional changes like my above noted barometer problem…

@GiPFELKiND I had forgotten weather source and could not look it up.

@Brad_Olwin @SuperFlo75 Thanks, I’ll wait for the update and hope it solves the issue

@Bigb0zz it’s not an issue to fix, but a design decision. The time would only fit if the font size of the data fields was made smaller. You may rearrange your data fields to avoid fields in the top row, which interfere with the time display.