Suunto Core 2!.. For me, this is the best news from the world of watches this year! I love my Core Alpha and I’m curious to see if there will be any hardware or software improvements. Newer isn’t always better. But so far, it looks promising. Just yesterday, I changed the battery in my Core Alpha for the first time in a one year and seven months. I did it in about 30 seconds, sitting on a bench with just a coin. Water resistance is working. A great and affordable survival watch.

@Webby-Skymaster BTW, I have a similar sensation since I bought the Vertical 2 after all the navigation marketing because of the Q1. They did a nice job but there are several issues and bugs, and while there are nice things, navigation is not that good as advertised (in my opinion). I opened a thread with several things. There’s also a very nice one about the issues of the Climb Guidance 3.0

@Feissty Maybe a trivial question: Have you enabled location services on your smartphone, and does the Suunto app also have permission to access your location? At least on Android — unfortunately, I can’t say how it works on Apple devices. A simple test is to tap the map icon at the bottom of the list in the Suunto app. You should then see your location displayed on the map. [image: 1779457690263-screenshot_20260522_153607_suunto.jpg]

@MirkoP get used to it

@koivikko for me great watch, no significant problems for my activities

@Nelson-Diogo I agree. Hopefully they are aware and working on it. It seems wierd selling products that are supposed to be used together and they arent =).

@sky-runner I agree. Things have changed by a lot . Perhaps trail running is not the scenario nowadays. About that argument and if you go further with that and about the map, do you really use the map in a race with beacons? Personally, it’s very rare for me to waste time using it for running in a race with beacons, but I do not conceive a watch without maps (I’m not saying I don’t conceive the watch without the navigation arrow, of course). But is very likely you are running most races with beacons (there are those that do not have them, of course). Now looking at the shot I posted about the Fenix 8, they are using just a vertical line and not an arrow (I find much better Suunto’s design, not only for this but for datafields with big numbers without text legends). This is not a comparison, It’s thinking about the arrow. But if navigation arrow is (or can be) implemented the other arrow should clearly be removed and changed for something else. I see even mark using an opaque tiny rectangle, and matching the colour of the zone. There was another brand doing that (I think). This is just thinking about it. I’m not saying that should be done (at all). But in the other side, it’s very likely that is not something complicated to implement. It’s just about keeping things clean (and I totally agree with you in that).

@Manuel-Extreme I agree that V1 still is the best watch suunto has built in recent years. what distinguishes phones from watches is, that watches do not need security updates. V1 works perfectly well with the last release. of course we see new features on V2 and R2 that would be nice to have. if I hadto decide today for a new suunto I would still go for V1.

@Kajkom Yes, it matches. But that doesn’t seem like it’s connected to the issue. The watch counts correctly all the way up until you save/finish the workout, at which point it discounts it 3.75%.

"if you don’t end your activity… " Yes but I did end it and was in trouble. All your answers make no sense and don’t address the point: Who is the genius in Suunto who decided you need to download tracks to a phone and then upload them back in order to be able to follow them on the watch? The data is already in the watch, let me use it, please! And besides, the battery of my watch outlasts the one of my phone, so the situation was not unexpectable (some of you who answered would probably come up with this great solution: make the battery of the watch last less

@2b2bff said in Min. Sleep HR too high?: @raven I know it shows the same issue, therefore I picked it… Those Min HR fields are actually buttons that show a line in the graph for the selected data. So, you can see whether the graph is below or above that line. Haha didn’t mean to imply you didn’t know you had the issue; it was just more musing to myself that I’m clearly not alone in this. I did seem to have missed that selecting it as a button turns on a line which is useful and clearly shows a few points in my graphs where the graph is going under the line. Thanks. I guess at this point my questions are more “does it work the way I’d expect it to for anyone or is what we’re seeing a universal truth in Suunto app/devices,” as well as “is there a good reason for this behavior I’m missing.” Have a good weekend!

@dreamer_ My experiences with treadmills have been poor in the past and generally I’d prefer a footpod. Back before the pandemic in 2020, I’d often do indoor running at university gym and at that time I only had an Apple Watch, which can estimate pace/distance decently when you do sufficient outdoor running to calibrate it. For example, if I ran an indoor 400m track five times, I’d expect 2000m and I’d get something like 2012m, and that often would be explained by lane switches during the session. Meanwhile, a similar run on a university treadmill would always give me something like 2000m on the watch and 2600-2800m on the treadmill, just vastly giving me too optimistic results. I’m also very familiar with certain paces, so if I wanted to do a steady state effort at 5:00/km for example, setting the tread for 12kmh (which is another problem, most use “speed” rather than “pace,” and for outdoors running, one typically uses pace) would give a result on my watch that I’d be doing closer to 4:00-4:15/km pace, and internally, I knew I was faster than the 5:00/km pace I wanted. These kind of results are often the case when I bother to use a treadmill in a hotel gym when I travel. Most just give faster results that I don’t trust. I also have a sort of philosophical problem with how treadmills give data. Imagine a treadmill is moving at a decent speed, and I put my hands on the arm rails, and use my arms to muscle up and my feet dangle in the air, no longer running and not connected to the treadmill belt. The tread is still in motion and still marking pace and distance. I could even position myself to just get off the treadmill and let it run, gathering “free” distance if I wished. Now, it’s not that I think people are “cheating” the results of treads, but the example is to illustrate that what is being measured isn’t the runner as much as it is the treadmill. Meanwhile, with my indoor bike, if I stop pedaling the bike comes to a stop. On my rowing machine, if I stop my effort, again the flywheel comes to a stop. So it seems to me the equivalent for indoor running is “if my feet stop, metrics stop” which is where I see a footpod as being a better way to track. However, that doesn’t help with the issue of elevation grade changes. One solution is to use a manual treadmill like a Woodway: https://www.woodway.com/manual-treadmills/ and now there’s no motor moving the belt, and these type of treads typically don’t have an adjustable incline. It would also solve an issue of needing a good electrical outlet in older homes that may not be wired for that; simply avoid the need for electricity. Still, most people don’t have manual treadmills, and likely have more faith in their treadmill metrics than I do. Perhaps people who own treads in their home are better at keeping them calibrated, whereas the gyms I’ve been to do not do so. Also, if someone mostly runs on a tread and not outdoors, then it doesn’t matter if the metrics are correct as long as they are consistent, I suppose. So sure, I’d like to see sports watches get the data off of them by bluetooth FTMS. Let the user decide if the metrics are valid.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Another crash today at 11:45 CET. Logs sent at 11:52 CET. Watch used Vertical 2. I’ll send you my mail in PM. So far with the current FW both my R2 and V2 are crashing every 3,4 runs. Custom trail run mode Runna guide selected Navigation route selected without turn by turn Burner and ZoneSense Plus apps External Polar H10 V2 connected to Android (today’s logs sent) while R2 to iOS Details: Upon receiving of the “thanks for running with runna” notification I was heading towards the end of the route and was waiting for the end notification. The runna notification never disappeared. What I have noticed is that the notifications with this FW are not going away automatically (most of the time but not always) until mid button pressed. The details of the run in the application are missing: all the Suunto plus data (burner) and the asc/dsc are both 0. Technique part is missing too. Any news of a hotfix coming or should I downgrade? I’ll be switching to the Ocean for now and the training season, if that doesn’t work back to the Forerunnner. Thank for your help!

@claudio_101 The inaccuracy and inconsistency of the built-in heart rate sensor in the Race has been discussed here before. Suunto must be aware of this since they added a second sensor to the Race S, and people who reviewed both the original Race and the Race S said the S performs significantly better. Is that worth buying another watch? Not for me - even though I’m disappointed with the Race built-in heart rate sensor, I like the watch in every other way and consider it worth keeping. If I want accurate heart rate I wear a chest strap. But that’s a personal decision.

@Lazyjones said in Charging base: @sindavide Yes it sucks. I’ve bought cheap backup and it works better than original one. Stronger magnets. I read in this forum that the magnet of the original chargers is intentionally weak to not damage the watches

Well, I just tried out the custom multisport mode. It was a bust—the watch didn’t detect the switch between running and swimming. I’ll try switching modes manually. It’s losing its appeal… It might have something to do with not switching modes, but the open-water track is full of glitches. I didn’t have this problem during my other open-water sessions. [image: 1779466631129-nage.png] I didn’t zigzag that much, though I’ll admit I don’t always swim in a straight line .

No day without another new vibecoded service. This one is at least more-Suunto specific, not yet another “I made MCP server so you can connect Claude to your Suunto data” (then repeat spam post for Garmin/Coros/etc.) It’s great that people are doing various services, but seems like LLM made this so easy that people not thinking enough about the implications. Vibecode first, market second, reasoning later if ever. But yeah, already think on making paid options What’s the point of the service? What it adds in comparison with Suunto App? Majority of the users sync their Suunto Watch with Suunto App, so even if some third-party service can extract and upload watchfaces, they will likely by overwritten when user sync his watch to SA. Or if they care to change IDs then you can end up with duplicates. And I can continue with other questions, like what happens if Suunto do changes to WF API/format. Then you can break something in the watch using third-party service like this. Find out how to make custom WF? OK, same as above, the fact that you can find out, doesn’t mean it’s good - maybe Suunto is not releasing it because it’s not yet ready for general audience and risky to break the watch. All in all, for the author: good catch to reverse engineer the protocol, for ordinary users: beware.