I am also someone who have been using GPS watches for a decade and half now, starting from Garmin Forerunner 110 in 2011 and having Vertical 2 as my latest watch. I run in Pacific Northwest on mountain trails that are often under a very dense tree cover, under tall coniferous trees such as Dogras Fir, Red Cedar, Western Hemlock, etc. This is an extremely difficult environment for GPS and historically most GPS watches were very inaccurate. For a long time I thought that Suunto Ambit 3 Peak with its massive GPS antenna was perhaps one of the most accurate watches, but the new generation of watches with dual-band GNSS that have been released in the last few years, starting with Garmin Fenix 7 are amazingly accurate in this environment compared to anything we had before. The last generation of Suunto watches with dual-band GPS - Vertical, Race, Race S, Race 2, Vertical 2 - are all very accurate and some of the best in class in terms of GPS accuracy. But in my opinion, still nothing beats the Airoha GNSS chipset that was used in Garming Fenix 7, Forerunner 255, 955, and few other watches a few years ago. I think more recent GPS watches are a bit less accurate even though they may offer better battery efficiency. Here is a comparison of Fenix 7X Sapphire vs. Suunto Race S - on a similar terrain with the same map zoom level. Both of these are are examples of running downhill on a narrow singletrack trail. Both of these show 6 laps on the same loop. You can see that the track produced by Airoha GNSS definitely looks tighter with tracks from laps closer on top of each other. [image: 1776988567192-screenshot-2026-04-23-at-4.55.25-pm.png] [image: 1776987438944-screenshot-2026-04-23-at-4.18.40-pm.png] To be fair, more recent Garmin watches (Fenix 8, Enduro 3) are definitely less accurate than both Suunto watches and earlier Garmin watches. Also, distance wise I think Suunto is a bit more accurate. Garmin had a tendency to shorten the distance by 1-1.5% compared to the distance of the GPS track.

@Nikolai-Simonov said in Live location S+ app: It’s not a bug but feature! you don’t need to re-connect it each time, just take a 5-15 sec to connect. Thanks for all the explanations. The Bluetooth connection to the watch is a bit unclear to me, but I understand the general principle. And I confirm your explanation: even if the app says “waiting for S+ application…”, it will turn green as soon as the activity starts. However, I tried the live tracking again this evening during a run, but unfortunately, it didn’t work very well - version 1.0.16-ext (102) First, I had trouble activating tracking: the watch said it was connected (I had the GPS coordinates on the dedicated screen) and the app indicated a connection with the watch. But I still wasn’t located on the app’s map, either at the start or after a short movement. I had to stop the activity, disconnect and reconnect the app and the watch, and start a new activity to finally be located on the map and see my movement. Several kilometers later, I checked and the watch was disconnected (“DISCONECTED state:99”). I’m not entirely sure, but I think the app still indicated a connection with the watch. I tried disabling the Suunto app on the watch and then re-enabling it, disconnecting from the app and re-enabling it, several times, in various orders, but still without success. I finally gave up on LiveTracking. Last weekend, I also had some issues with version 1.0.13-ext (77) where I experienced a disconnection for a few kilometers, but the connection was restored afterward and the tracking resumed (with a long straight line corresponding to the disconnection). As I work in software development myself, I imagine it can be very difficult to diagnose with just this text information, sorry

@Nikolai-Simonov sorry, I missed that one. I have checked your code and it is extensive like for simple watchface. I thought it is easier to code such a things. I am struggling with google ai with my watchface. Can I send you my code for some help?

@johann.fuehrer said in Weather Sync Bug: @Matthew-0 Maybe a dumb question, but have you already been out and let the watch aquire some satellite link to get your position? The app on the phone retrieves the weather data and it uses the (global) position of the phone, not that of the watch. The behavior as described by the OP I see when the suunto app is closed on my iPhone. If it is still running in the background all is fine and weather data can be synchronized to the watch.

Hi. I also think the Vertical is still a good sports watch. I hope that in the next v1 update they’ll be able to include the altitude in the elevation contours in the maps at zoom resolutions that the MIP screen can display. Having them is useful in some conditions.

@OutdoorMan said in Minimal watchface (feedback): @dreamer_ I personally just need to have a date in time only mode, because I never remember what date it is. And that’s it Totally agree. Battery icon also means you’,ll never forget charging your device but that is my feeling. I consider the rest of the things totally useless

@halajos said in FW 2.53.2 Countdown timer vibration: @sindavide yes, I also experience it on the Race 1. The last beep, which should be longer, gets interrupted, therefore sometimes shorter or not even audible. By the way, having 11 beeps is weird to me, I’d prefer 9 short and one long. Yes, same here. Plus alarm in the morning interrupts without pressing button and no snooze.

@Tami999 the official Czech reseller is suuntocz.cz Thanks for the tip! Finally I can make my choice

@isazi Thanks for reporting swiftly

@MdzOtt yes, SA is the one not doing it ;). In my case with Karoo Gen 3 I see same avg power with zeros included (gold standard) like you get see with garmin/Strava

@Egika it coulde be average fuel consumtion number that could motivate you to ride more

@Nandodiver this is also my first view (default).