@timecode yes, it has to be something like that. Old picture … but I was confused as she didn’t look that much younger on the picture

@Jan-Van-de-Velde I own both (my SV was send to repair this summer and I couldn’t train without watch, so I bought the SRs).
I share all your thoughts.
If my SV had advanced sleep tracking (sleep phases), I would probalbly use it every day and night like before…
But I now wear my SRs at night to have have sleep phases (and also because it’s lighter and smaller).
Screen of the SRs is awesome, but I much prefer the touchscreen navigation between screens of my SV. Build quality is great on both event SV nicer to me (plus sapphire and Ti)

Let’s see what Suunto will bring us in the future, but no need to be a genius : next generations of watches will improve amoled watches battery life, and we’ll see OHR and other mesurements tracking improvements.

For now, SV + SRs is a “luxury” but lovely combination !

Hi to all, sorry for late answer. We tested watch intensively. Did not done upgrade on version 2.40.38, still on version 2.39.44. Everything working on version 2.39.44. If you have issue try to downgrade to previous version software. BR

Chase the summit made an interesting comparison on VO2 Max between a lab test and different watch brands.

In this video he uses the Race S.
I kinda like the results 😉

https://youtu.be/i3O1cpQqFhw?si=sgYLZAmd1N595lDx

@Brad_Olwin I hope it will be made in near future. With new OHR a Race S form factor and MIP and TI and Saphire. Solar is for me not necessary I will decide then if I replace my S9PP with one of these. Anyway, after ZoneSene launch is OHR even less important for me in training. Unfortunately ZoneSense is in the moment for me big mystery… Sometimes I feel that it does the job as expected, and sometimes I’m sure it does not. But for this topic we have different thread here 🙂 .

Step counting is too short even during running and walking. With Garmin I used to consistently average about 15-17K steps per day. With Suunto Race S, with similar activity, my average number of steps in the last 8 weeks is 12.2K. That is definitely too short!

@GiPFELKiND man your reactions are like you really don’t like Suunto, yet you end up buying every Suunto watch. Why is that?

@brechtvb For me the update solved nothing, perhaps made the OHR situation worse, i.e. fewer reasonable readings (not exercising).

@Egika said in Race S Tempting Me Back Into Suunto...:

@VoiGAS yes, he was referring to battery saving mode.
Back in Ambit times, the low power GPS indeed was not really accurate. You could select between 1s, 5s and 60s fix rate.

Yes, it was the 5s mode. Down in the canyons it started to glitch measuring the distance really long and by the end of the race it was doubling the distance, consistently adding 0.01 mile for every 10 steps. Somehow it ended up adding distance from GPS and distance from accelerometer together, which resulted in doubling the distance.

Ambit wasn’t as accurate as people think. Yes, at the time it was one of the most accurate watches - thanks to its large GPS antenna. But recently I compared an Ambit 3 Peak track from some years ago against a recent track from Garmin Fenix 7X recorded with multi-band mode. The difference was like day and night - Garmin with dual band was so much more accurate around curves and switchbacks following the trail perfectly. I also think that the Airoha GNSS chipset that was used in Fenix 7 is more accurate than the new Sony chipset used in Race S. The distance is similar, in fact Suunto Race S distance tends to be a tiny bit longer, but Garmin’s track seems to be more precise. Unfortunately Garmin seems to have switched to the new Sony chipset too.

@sracer agree. My biggest annoyance after the charger, which thankfully you don’t need very often is the lack of font sizes.

I think I can only give one watch face with seconds on it I can read without glasses 🤷🏻‍♂️

Do love the vertical, had it over a year now and it has been my companion for many hours and miles but wish they would consider older folk with font size🤷🏻‍♂️

Admittedly, I use a Suunto Vertical, but I can see that the problems associated with swimming are common. A while ago I commented on another post on the topic, link here: https://forum.suunto.com/post/164078
I wrote there, among other things, that swim monitoring is the absolute weakest point in Suunto watches. This is my personal experience, but reading others, I have no doubt that I share the opinion of other swimming users. Almost everything works badly here, and the most important: counting the swum lengths of the pool, recognizing styles, completely ignoring other exercises in the water. So there is no point in complaining, because there are only two ways out in such a situation. Hope that Suunto will finally do something about it, or buy a watch that better monitors swimmers’ workouts. I write this with all new Suunto watch users in mind, because I remember my own frustration about two years ago.

@Rowwen1972 🙄yes until today no lactat Treshhold.

@RightNow that’s a shame you’ve had bad experience with them: I only have good CS experience with them, they have yet to blame me for anything. Doesn’t everyone run with a trundle wheel…?

@far-blue no laces, interesting, though. I hadn’t thought of that.

@Richard-McGlory we ‘swapped the pods’: what was 1, is now 2, and the elevation profile is back. Key point: data from the pod overwrites data from the watch, every time, confirmed by their support. I imagine all that’s retained is the HR and GNSS track.

@Stavrogin Well… After two weeks and trying to test things as methodically as possible, my conclusions are the same: when I fall asleep with the watch face upside down, the sleep reading is accurate with respect to the time I fall asleep. Regarding the time I wake up, it’s more variable, although generally quite accurate, in my case.

Last night, with the watch updated to version 2.40.38, I tried wearing it on my usual arm, the one that doesn’t leave the watch face down when I fall asleep. Last night, I was especially tired. So much so that I was falling asleep on the couch. I went to bed at 11 PM and I’m pretty sure I fell asleep in 5 minutes. And I got up at 7:30 AM with the alarm.

However, in the morning, the log said I fell asleep at 2:46 AM and woke up at 6:48 AM. Sigh…

I totally agree with you. It’s frustrating to think that something that wasn’t working before is finally going to work, and it’s still the same… Personally, I’m more disappointed with the swimming measurement, but the feeling is the same.

Anyway, it’s only been one night with the new FW, so I’ll keep trying things out. Personally, I don’t care much about what the watch says; I’m not a good sleeper, and this “research” is serving me as motivation to be more aware of what time I go to bed and whether I’m already later than I should be.

@off242 just used it yesterday with no issues.

@Jeffrey-Tillack Suunto has a wonderful Courtney Dawaulter edition of the Race S!

@ChrisA I think for a generation of Whoop/Garmin/Oura kids who cannot remember a time when the only running watch was a timex ironman this can probably be very frustrating. We have so many people now that rely on their watches to tell them what to feel or think about a workout. I think it is super important for any athlete to not rely on algorithms and upsold company metrics to tell you how a run went.

The magic of Suunto and the runners that it sponsors like Courtney Dauwalter is that they will not promise you gimmicks like body battery and stress scores. They will tell you to learn how to listen to your body as you start to build fitness. They will tell you to check in with your body daily to determine how you feel rather that look at a smartphone app.

RPE mixed with heart rate tracking can be a huge part of learning how to train. Zone Sense helps me confirm that information. But it is not a magic button and it does take some savvy and dare I say research (ie reading what kind of workout it is actually for) to understand what it is that it is tell you.

One example I have is I did a long intervals session where I thought the RPE was 9-10. The intervals were long enough to register with zonesense and how I interpreted the information was maybe I could have done a bit more.

@Yurii-Hultiaiev

here may be the explanation

@pavel-samokha said in Suunto Vertical won’t update from 2.30.38 to recent update:

There was technical issue in the cloud, please try again

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@Brad_Olwin yes but I’m unsure currently how to get it right. I have another issue in that I can’t record Stryd Air Power unless I use the Suunto Stryd app but I don’t seem to be able to use that app to execute planned workouts from TrainingPeaks.

It’s all quote fussy in comparison to what I’m used to.