@hschwaiger I wonder If the TSSp is not based on the normalized power (instead of the “standard” power), which means it’s already accounting for uphills in the TSS score (but not how technical the trail is of course)? At least I can see that my runs with ascent get more TSSp than flat runs with same distance and pace…

@Piiipmatz Tracks visible when zoomed out like it used to be would be a good start…

@chenmm Add me to the list of people who are frustrated with Suunto maps. To make it worse, when I bough Race S in October 2024 and later when I bough Race in March 2025, maps used to be more detailed. For example trails were visible on two additional zoom levels. But as Suunto was about to release Race 2 with much more powerful hardware, map rendering was changed in update 2.43.8 without any mention in the release notes and the level of details has became worse, especially for those of us who do activities on trails - hikers, trail runners, MTB riders, etc. See https://forum.suunto.com/topic/13311/map-rendering-and-trail-visibility-after-software-update-2.43.8-.12 Out of curiosity I compared map sizes before and after the change, but I couldn’t see much difference. This was based on some screenshots of the app map download screens in this forum from a year ago and comparing that to what we have now. Map sizes remained roughly the same. With regards to your comment about wasting the download size on 4 different map styles, I don’t think that is the case. It has been confirmed that Suunto maps are vector based, meaning that the same map data is fed into the rendering regardless of the map style, and different colors are applied at the last moment. Garmin map rendering works the same way. I would be surprised if it was any different. I don’t how what is the reason for the large map download sizes. They are very large indeed compared even to Garmin maps that are much more detailed. Perhaps the compression is not very good because of the small tile sizes. I can only guess. But on other hand, I guess higher compression ratio could lead to more CPU work during map use resulting in worse performance and higher battery use.

I second this

@Audaxjoe Indeed, I do the same thing, but it’s a pain having to make all those adjustments. When I see that with Coros, the watch, the Dura bike computer, and the app all sync perfectly, it makes me want to switch.

@TED77 seems to work for me. Compared to the Oura Ring overnight tracking Suunto‘s and Oura‘s metrics match quite good;[image: 1765015656907-photo-output.jpeg] I also rather look at long time trends in HRV as you don’t really know what influenced short time spikes or lows in your body (inflammation and other factors, you just can’t know, that are part of homeostatic processes)

@ADidier No doubt this will be folded into an existing ignored thread about this critical feature… @Suunto wake up and start work on this or at least tell us if it’s in planning or development so we can look forward to it.

@Mff73 Oh yeah, the design I will leave to the professionals I just quickly did this in Paint to illustrate clearly what I want. And thanks, I actually didnt know I can do that! That’s already helping Edit: However, this appears to be only working for me for my running activities and autolaps. This is unfortunately not working with manual laps in my strength training activities

@ADidier Concept2 could connect to Suunto if they wanted to, like they do with others: If you use a fitness platform like Strava or Garmin Connect and want to see your Concept2 workouts in there, the easiest way is to use ErgData to send your workouts to the Concept2 Online Logbook. You can then connect your Online Logbook account to send your workouts automatically to several different platforms, including Strava, Garmin Connect, Training Peaks, CrewLAB, FitBit and Final Surge.

@ADidier the tests are available as Suunto Plus apps for the other watches in the lineup. But nothing is adjusted automatically, what you can see as an advantage or not.

For what it’s worth, Android 16 QPR2 offers an expanded dark theme that “automatically applies the dark theme to most apps that don’t support it” natively. It works pretty well on SA.

@Squirrel oh, good to know!

@Horizontal_2 Back when I used Suunto Ambit, when I went off route it would always automatically zoom out to keep the original route in the view so that I knew which way to move to eventually merge into the original route In fact I remember that once on a pretty steep mountain terrain we went into a wrong gully on a downhill and realized that only a few minutes later, and it would be too much effort to go back up because the terrain was very steep so we decided to keep going down hoping to eventually merge back, which we did. So I think at the minimum the watch should do that, and additionally there should be an arrow around the screen edge pointing towards the closest point on the original route. Furthermore even if there is no automatic rerouting through the phone, which cannot be done reliably when off grid, the watch must be optimized to assist with manual visual rerouting, which means an ability to see map details at higher zoom levels. Then you basically simply zoom out and look for opportunities to merge back at a later point. That shouldn’t be hard to do even on a small watch screen and I’ve done that successfully many times on Garmin Fenix and even on Suunto Race before the maps were “neutered”.