SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2

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@Fwinns thanks! Will try on my 9pp later

Upd: it’s really nice option to know, but unfortunately for me, previous firmware is the only option. I say unfortunately because my battery was spoiled by November’s 2.30.32 update, long time ago. Of course I have little hope for bugfix, because IMO, starting from 2.30.32, suunto doesn’t care about software quality

[alschmid]

@Tami999 said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
… I only miss old option to click on and fast-change, date + battery on one and on second one alt + solar for example. Now everything is static.
I hope maybe in future we will get old-way + with option which widgets/icons will be changed after tap, that would be perfect.

That seems to be a pattern: throughout the last updates for the Vertical (Solar) have they discarded in their design principles quite some requirements for customization.

Despite the hardware affording swipe and touch functionalities have customization options with widgets and screen orders in the software been removed. I find that a pity.

I see the engineers’ need to optimize for software and battery performance. However, from a user’s perspective, I find their prioritization over customization options afforded by the watch out of balance.

[alschmid]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel But the tapping functionality for scrolling through multiples of them is gone, no?

[GiPFELKiND]

@alschmid yes is gone you can only choose 1 value. No Tapping…

[alschmid]

@isazi Hi Alessio. It would be a nice prospect if such customization options like the “multiple compliactions” or also the “swipe left/right through widgets” were to be brought back…

I guess some irritation here in the forum comes from engaged SUUNTO users not understanding based on what grounds or principles decisions are taken re the further development of the firmware.

Changes such as the removed complications switch tapping or horizontal widget swiping might be less irritating if they were to follow a comprehensible logic.

Would you therefore mind sharing a bit more in detail on who the involved parties are exactly and how the decision process roughly looks like in “Suunto will gather feedback and act accordingly”?

[alschmid]

@GiPFELKiND Thanks for confirming. I thought because you can now long tap to open the widget, I might have missed something. Also, I don’t understand really why it had to go…

To have both would be great: short tapping to switch complications, long tapping to open the widget. In combination, it would partly compensate for the missing option to horizontally swipe through the widgets. A feature I’m mouring, given that the buttons and touch screen together would afford a such.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@alschmid yes, but you can customize them, instead of relying on arbitrarily preset complications. Which is an update, considering “personalization”, as you can personalize the watchface.

[maszop]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel but now it’s the same “arbitrarily preset complications" for every watchface. I hope this will change over time and there will be a few more widgets to choose from for each watchface

[alschmid]

Hi @Łukasz-Szmigiel, thanks for elaborating.

I must be missing something or just getting it wrong. Just to be on the same page: I’m using an SVT watch with the firmware 2.35.34. Now, after the update, I have the exact same watch face as before, or can make it look the same, except for now it’s irresponsive as compared to beforehand, where I could short tap through two different stacks of complications.

Couldn’t you also configure the complications beforehand (to a more limited extent, though), by tapping to the one you wanted shown? Although yes, the order was preset…

[wurzlsepp]

@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Changes such as the removed complications switch tapping or horizontal widget swiping might be less irritating if they were to follow a comprehensible logic

The fact that you prefer the old UI design does not mean there is no logic to the new one. Quite simply, people preferring the old functionality are screaming the loudest. At least the vertical widget scrolling was implemented similarly in the 9Baro, similar Suunto watches, and virtually all current Garmin units. So there should be some sense to it, right?
And watch face personalization is right at its beginning … so i guess the logic there is “one step at a time”

[Tomas Fejfar]

Suunto Race - battery drain

before last update my Race consumed from 5.5 to 7 % of battery per day (14-18 days). Ater update (1 full cycle + complete discharging and soft restart) it takes 11 % of battery per day (9 days). No changes of settings, no changes of my behavior. Any ideas?

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@Tomas-Fejfar yet another software bug, nothing special

[Todd Danielczyk]

@Tomas-Fejfar Just to confirm, did you do a full drain, letting it the watch shut down and display the charge indicator?
https://forum.suunto.com/post/149042

For me, I was seeing about 7-8% drop per day until I let it drain completely and then put on the charger to 100%. as of right now, I am sitting at 3% drop after 17 hours of use after letting the battery calibrate.

[alschmid]

Thank you for your friendly enlightenment, @wurzlsepp. Though, I admit that the purpose of your derogatory strategy to emotionalizing the matter is hard to follow…

Your simplification misses the point that quite some users voice valid arguments for the maintenance of features that “disappeared” with firmware upgrades and didn’t come back - well beyond “screaming”. Your discardment of those and personal preference for “the new” doesn’t invalidate the arguments.

Furthermore, with your substantial misunderstanding or -interpretation (deliberate or not) of my points re swiping as well as the design logic, you literally confirmed some of them. I was pointing towards the absence of comprehensibility, not logic per se. Sure, “other brands do it too” and the convergence of UX between SUUNTO watch model firmwares give “some sense”. It’s just not very well comprehensible. The former argument lacks any qualification at all. The latter might be convenient for the manufacturer but suggests functional restrictions for watches with more affordances than others, esp. if you’re using the more powerful models…

Me, at least, I don’t have any issue with vertical widget scrolling. However, I admit that I don’t understand SUUNTOs UI design decision re horizontal scrolling. My thoughts thereby:
a) why would the firmware of a watch with multi-directional swipe function as well as buttons for horizontal navigation allow for only two screens to be arranged left/right to each other?,
b) why would the arrangement of multiple widgets left/right to each other be restricted, after it was possible?, and
c) why would it, from a design principle perspective, be considered favorable to having to navigate more levels deep into the menu before you find a wanted functionality (scroll down, open widget) over less depth (scroll to the right to see the open widget, or left if it’s “closer” in the “cycle”)?

Wrapping my answer up with my hope for you to be right, that those who used the given ones get some of the functionalities back “one step at a time”…

[The Rmotfage]

Feature suggestion for next firmware: improve climb guidance screen by allowing to see current hr.

Ideas: Either make the field ‘total duration’ customizable, or just add the hr zone around the outer edge of the screen, as already existing on some other screens

Continue the good work !

[wurzlsepp]

@alschmid i didn’t get the first part. If you try to say Suunto could improve their communication, sure they could. I’m with you there. But first, let’s hope they keep some business within Finland at all that can communicate

Considering a) (my opinion): because a swipe from right to left should always get you out of a menu and/or back to the watch face. With the former horizontal setup, it just brought you to some other screen, not out to the overview. Depending on where you were, you had to swipe 5 times and more. Also, the button arrangement is up and down, not left and right. Thus also the widgets would be arranged up and down
c) because information ideally is always arranged in levels with increasing depth. You get an overview, and should you want to know more about one of the specific topics, you can do so (without having to scroll through all the other detailed information!). What information is displayed in the overview (widget list) is up for discussion obviously and may be to one’s taste or not

[Todd Danielczyk]

@Tomas-Fejfar said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Suunto Race - battery drain

before last update my Race consumed from 5.5 to 7 % of battery per day (14-18 days). Ater update (1 full cycle + complete discharging and soft restart) it takes 11 % of battery per day (9 days). No changes of settings, no changes of my behavior. Any ideas?

Waited 24 hours after the battery recalibration (full drain/ full charge). Watch is set up 24/7 HR/SPO, notifications on and a 30 minute row (5200m) with chest heart rate strap (to check).

It is back to where it was for me: 3% daily battery usage.

[Janko]

Hi,
i have SV solar and have noticed, that the battery life has has significantly decreased. Over the day watch lose 10% of the charge, when before was like 5%. And this is all on the same settings and screen as it was on software before.

[Elipsus]

@alschmid I have some points for you, the switch to vertical scrolling is because of the addition of a “wheel” for the new watch (Race and Race S), and, in an effort the streamline the UI of its various watches that are using the same hardware plateforme (9 peak pro, vertical, race, Ocean and race S have roughly the same internals), it completely makes sense from a Software developpment POV.

@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

a) why would the firmware of a watch with multi-directional swipe function as well as buttons for horizontal navigation allow for only two screens to be arranged left/right to each other?,

I would venture and say that having both “full vertical” and “full horizontal” list would be too much of a memory burden

@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

c) why would it, from a design principle perspective, be considered favorable to having to navigate more levels deep into the menu before you find a wanted functionality (scroll down, open widget) over less depth (scroll to the right to see the open widget, or left if it’s “closer” in the “cycle”)?

Vertical scrolling allowed a big improvment in smoothness due to, if i recall correctly, the way the screen is controlled, that way scrolling among widgets is faster than scrolling among screens (i’m not sure if you remember how laggy it was before), and honestly, i think its still faster even if the widget you want is at the bottom

Then about your overall sentiment,I understand you, but you can’t have cake, eat it and sell the flour, there is limit to what these littles computers can do, and for me it looks like Suunto tries as much as possible to not remove functions, and there is also the big problem of keeping the watch interface user friendly, that means you have to make choices

@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Sure, “other brands do it too”

This is HUGE do not dismiss that, in UX, the law is basically, “do as the others” that way all the next users coming from other watch will be much less frustrated if they don’t have to completely change how to interact with it, this is very, very important in UX design.

Other than that, yes, i would love too to have all the options, all the buttons, all the possibility, but its a nightmare to maintain, its the perfect recipe for bugs, it might not even fit on the watch memory.
And most users are too dumb to make advantage of it, this is also very important, for example, mentionned in the podcast a few months ago, something like 90% of the users will never do a custom workout screen layout, but the option to do it is present, and is gigantic to program, Suunto can’t afford to waste ressources on thing that will be used by even less people.

[thailon]

@The_77 the same for me