SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2

[Mff73]

@Fwinns
To avoid anxiety, you can also plan to put the watch on the charger for a couple of minutes. .
Or try the common tip to let the watch discharge fully once, and only then report battery drainage. It could be a real FW issue, but before, everyone should have tried that tip.

[Fwinns]

@Mff73 I will let other test those theories for me, a couple of minutes is not enough when you have a ~24-30h ultra trail in two weeks
In the meantime going back to the previous firmware did the trick for me, no more battery drain, everything back to normal

[false]

@Fwinns I love such theories too :))
how did you install previous firmware? I wish I could do the same

[Fwinns]

@false there’s another topic on this forum, somebody kindly showed the procedure:
https://forum.suunto.com/topic/11116/firmware-downgrade-to-2-33-16-1/8?_=1720979544607

[false]

@Fwinns thanks! Will try on my 9pp later

Upd: it’s really nice option to know, but unfortunately for me, previous firmware is the only option. I say unfortunately because my battery was spoiled by November’s 2.30.32 update, long time ago. Of course I have little hope for bugfix, because IMO, starting from 2.30.32, suunto doesn’t care about software quality

[alschmid]

@Tami999 said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
… I only miss old option to click on and fast-change, date + battery on one and on second one alt + solar for example. Now everything is static.
I hope maybe in future we will get old-way + with option which widgets/icons will be changed after tap, that would be perfect.

That seems to be a pattern: throughout the last updates for the Vertical (Solar) have they discarded in their design principles quite some requirements for customization.

Despite the hardware affording swipe and touch functionalities have customization options with widgets and screen orders in the software been removed. I find that a pity.

I see the engineers’ need to optimize for software and battery performance. However, from a user’s perspective, I find their prioritization over customization options afforded by the watch out of balance.

[alschmid]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel But the tapping functionality for scrolling through multiples of them is gone, no?

[GiPFELKiND]

@alschmid yes is gone you can only choose 1 value. No Tapping…

[alschmid]

@isazi Hi Alessio. It would be a nice prospect if such customization options like the “multiple compliactions” or also the “swipe left/right through widgets” were to be brought back…

I guess some irritation here in the forum comes from engaged SUUNTO users not understanding based on what grounds or principles decisions are taken re the further development of the firmware.

Changes such as the removed complications switch tapping or horizontal widget swiping might be less irritating if they were to follow a comprehensible logic.

Would you therefore mind sharing a bit more in detail on who the involved parties are exactly and how the decision process roughly looks like in “Suunto will gather feedback and act accordingly”?

[alschmid]

@GiPFELKiND Thanks for confirming. I thought because you can now long tap to open the widget, I might have missed something. Also, I don’t understand really why it had to go…

To have both would be great: short tapping to switch complications, long tapping to open the widget. In combination, it would partly compensate for the missing option to horizontally swipe through the widgets. A feature I’m mouring, given that the buttons and touch screen together would afford a such.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@alschmid yes, but you can customize them, instead of relying on arbitrarily preset complications. Which is an update, considering “personalization”, as you can personalize the watchface.

[maszop]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel but now it’s the same “arbitrarily preset complications" for every watchface. I hope this will change over time and there will be a few more widgets to choose from for each watchface

[alschmid]

Hi @Łukasz-Szmigiel, thanks for elaborating.

I must be missing something or just getting it wrong. Just to be on the same page: I’m using an SVT watch with the firmware 2.35.34. Now, after the update, I have the exact same watch face as before, or can make it look the same, except for now it’s irresponsive as compared to beforehand, where I could short tap through two different stacks of complications.

Couldn’t you also configure the complications beforehand (to a more limited extent, though), by tapping to the one you wanted shown? Although yes, the order was preset…

[wurzlsepp]

@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:

Changes such as the removed complications switch tapping or horizontal widget swiping might be less irritating if they were to follow a comprehensible logic

The fact that you prefer the old UI design does not mean there is no logic to the new one. Quite simply, people preferring the old functionality are screaming the loudest. At least the vertical widget scrolling was implemented similarly in the 9Baro, similar Suunto watches, and virtually all current Garmin units. So there should be some sense to it, right?
And watch face personalization is right at its beginning … so i guess the logic there is “one step at a time”

[Tomas Fejfar]

Suunto Race - battery drain

before last update my Race consumed from 5.5 to 7 % of battery per day (14-18 days). Ater update (1 full cycle + complete discharging and soft restart) it takes 11 % of battery per day (9 days). No changes of settings, no changes of my behavior. Any ideas?

[false]

@Tomas-Fejfar yet another software bug, nothing special

[Todd Danielczyk]

@Tomas-Fejfar Just to confirm, did you do a full drain, letting it the watch shut down and display the charge indicator?
https://forum.suunto.com/post/149042

For me, I was seeing about 7-8% drop per day until I let it drain completely and then put on the charger to 100%. as of right now, I am sitting at 3% drop after 17 hours of use after letting the battery calibrate.

[alschmid]

Thank you for your friendly enlightenment, @wurzlsepp. Though, I admit that the purpose of your derogatory strategy to emotionalizing the matter is hard to follow…

Your simplification misses the point that quite some users voice valid arguments for the maintenance of features that “disappeared” with firmware upgrades and didn’t come back - well beyond “screaming”. Your discardment of those and personal preference for “the new” doesn’t invalidate the arguments.

Furthermore, with your substantial misunderstanding or -interpretation (deliberate or not) of my points re swiping as well as the design logic, you literally confirmed some of them. I was pointing towards the absence of comprehensibility, not logic per se. Sure, “other brands do it too” and the convergence of UX between SUUNTO watch model firmwares give “some sense”. It’s just not very well comprehensible. The former argument lacks any qualification at all. The latter might be convenient for the manufacturer but suggests functional restrictions for watches with more affordances than others, esp. if you’re using the more powerful models…

Me, at least, I don’t have any issue with vertical widget scrolling. However, I admit that I don’t understand SUUNTOs UI design decision re horizontal scrolling. My thoughts thereby:
a) why would the firmware of a watch with multi-directional swipe function as well as buttons for horizontal navigation allow for only two screens to be arranged left/right to each other?,
b) why would the arrangement of multiple widgets left/right to each other be restricted, after it was possible?, and
c) why would it, from a design principle perspective, be considered favorable to having to navigate more levels deep into the menu before you find a wanted functionality (scroll down, open widget) over less depth (scroll to the right to see the open widget, or left if it’s “closer” in the “cycle”)?

Wrapping my answer up with my hope for you to be right, that those who used the given ones get some of the functionalities back “one step at a time”…

[The Rmotfage]

Feature suggestion for next firmware: improve climb guidance screen by allowing to see current hr.

Ideas: Either make the field ‘total duration’ customizable, or just add the hr zone around the outer edge of the screen, as already existing on some other screens

Continue the good work !

[wurzlsepp]

@alschmid i didn’t get the first part. If you try to say Suunto could improve their communication, sure they could. I’m with you there. But first, let’s hope they keep some business within Finland at all that can communicate

Considering a) (my opinion): because a swipe from right to left should always get you out of a menu and/or back to the watch face. With the former horizontal setup, it just brought you to some other screen, not out to the overview. Depending on where you were, you had to swipe 5 times and more. Also, the button arrangement is up and down, not left and right. Thus also the widgets would be arranged up and down
c) because information ideally is always arranged in levels with increasing depth. You get an overview, and should you want to know more about one of the specific topics, you can do so (without having to scroll through all the other detailed information!). What information is displayed in the overview (widget list) is up for discussion obviously and may be to one’s taste or not