How are so many basic features missing? Are these on the roadmap?
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@elbee Well, the forum is full of crashes, black grid, etc. In my opinion, the processing quality is significantly higher than the software development… only how long should that last… I have quite understood that everyone has their requirements and preferences. But I can’t say that due to the much slower software development and the smaller range of functions, the watch works much more stable than with Garmin or Coros etc. For me, the watch design is really outstanding… but the software and the range of functions are stagnant.
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@elbee I’m sorry, English is not my native language. I distinguish between the great workmanship of the watch and the great design as well as the in my opinion stagnant software development.
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@elbee I’m sorry, English is not my native language. I distinguish between the great workmanship of the watch and the great design as well as the in my opinion stagnant software development.
No problem. English isn’t my native language either.
I’m a software developer so I see software development as craftsmanship.
I understand that it is easy to demand more features and wanting them now. We also demand stable firmware that doesn’t crash nor has bugs.
But in software it’s next to impossible to do both.(And sadly, now I’m going to report a bug again)
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@elbee
slower development and fewer bugs is always preferred.
or let’s say: slower development and in general more complete and matured firmware, software, features…(…still don’t understand how my windows laptop takes ages to connect to the one single connected headphones while my mac just connects when I take them off the charger
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@pbanon What you call basic features, mostly are smartwatch features, that really are not needed on sports watch.
Like it or not, most modern adventure watches are also smartwatches. Why can’t it be decent at both?
Getting back to watch face during activity? Why would you ever want to do that, your activity has all the data you need.
Because I like to see the current time big and center when I’m tracking an activity. I haven’t found a way to edit/add screens or data fields in activity pages so more customization options there would be nice.
You can always pause an activity and unpause the activity even if you are resting for prolonged time period.
But what if I want to use my watch normally in the mean time? The paused activity can’t sit idle in the background while I do other things, it has to be open front and center.
Custom watch faces is a gimmick, I would like Suunto to spend dev resources somewhere else.
There is no way for me to have the current date, notification count, sunset/sunrise time, and battery life on any of the watches faces. That’s not that much information.
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Like it or not, most modern adventure watches are also smartwatches. Why can’t it be decent at both?
Because Suunto has chosen not to. I don’t want a smartphone on my wrist so I chose Suunto.
Because I like to see the current time big and center when I’m tracking an activity. I haven’t found a way to edit/add screens or data fields in activity pages so more customization options there would be nice.
I agree about seeing the time in a bigger font. But maybe just allow the time to be a data field (is it already?)
But what if I want to use my watch normally in the mean time? The paused activity can’t sit idle in the background while I do other things, it has to be open front and center.
What happens if you want to start another sport in the meantime? Or you forget it’s sitting in the background?
There is no way for me to have the current date, notification count, sunset/sunrise time, and battery life on any of the watches faces. That’s not that much information.
I agree that a more modular approach to watch faces is needed - I don’t want the complication vomit of Garmin but I would like to see more flexibility with existing ones.
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Because I like to see the current time big and center when I’m tracking an activity. I haven’t found a way to edit/add screens or data fields in activity pages so more customization options there would be nice.
Customizing data screens is fairly straightforward in the Suunto App, but you have to create a custom sport mode first. I use one for trail running. Once you’ve created it, it will get synced to the watch and you can use it during activity just like one of the predefined sport modes.
Furthermore, time of day is one of existing data fields. There is way to have a data screen with time of day only, but you can have a data screen with 3 fields of your choice, one of which is time of day. For example, you can add the battery level and sunset time, or perhaps something else. There are a lot of choices.
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But what if I want to use my watch normally in the mean time?
Use normally? It’s a sports watch, not a Nintendo console.
You can set time, sunset, and other things as data fields.
Looks to me that you really want is a full‑on smartwatch with sports features – which Suunto doesn’t make. Suunto only makes sports watches.
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@steven-hambleton
“What happens if you want to start another sport in the meantime? Or you forget it’s sitting in the background?”I can only tell how garmin implemented this. When you pause an activity to resume later, you return to the normal watch mode. When you press the button to start an activity, you automatically start the paused activity. There is no option to start an other activity. If you forget the pauses activity you will find it the next time you start an activity (and you have the option to resume it, end and save if or end and delete it)
Works fine on a garmin, except for quite some bugs, but that’s garmin.@maszop
“Use normally? It’s a sports watch, not a Nintendo console.”
There are reasons to pause an activity to resume later, like on a social bike ride where you have a coffee stop half way, or lunch. Perfectly fine to pause an activity to resume later and in the mean time use your watch as a watch. Got nothing to do with a nintendo console.For me, the pause to resume later would be a nice to have, not a must have. But also not a wont have. (wont have, as in there are better ways for suunto developers to spend their time on)
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like on a social bike ride where you have a coffee stop half way, or lunch.
A social bike ride, as the name says, is about hanging out with people – not messing with gadgets while you’re with them
What exactly is ‘normal use’ supposed to mean? Time, weather? You’ve got all that available in the data fields, in the Suunto App, or on your phone anyway. To me, it sounds like you’re kind of looking for a problem.
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@steven-hambleton
“What happens if you want to start another sport in the meantime? Or you forget it’s sitting in the background?”I can only tell how garmin implemented this. When you pause an activity to resume later, you return to the normal watch mode. When you press the button to start an activity, you automatically start the paused activity. There is no option to start an other activity. If you forget the pauses activity you will find it the next time you start an activity (and you have the option to resume it, end and save if or end and delete it)
Works fine on a garmin, except for quite some bugs, but that’s garmin.@maszop
“Use normally? It’s a sports watch, not a Nintendo console.”
There are reasons to pause an activity to resume later, like on a social bike ride where you have a coffee stop half way, or lunch. Perfectly fine to pause an activity to resume later and in the mean time use your watch as a watch. Got nothing to do with a nintendo console.Wow, that’s not how I do sessions. If I completely stop and let my HR come to a rest from sitting down, then that clearly means I’ve stopped the activity. Your social bike ride is two sessions in my mind and not a single session.
With this mindset, you could at the end of the day, pause again, wait til the next social ride, and start again, and eventually have a one year ride as one activity? That is, does your potential feature continue to “hold” the event across charging sessions, multiple days and weeks? If not, what’s the limit of “hold and continue later”?
I think pause is fine for something like “I’m running and there’s a traffic light I need to wait for,” jogging in place for a little bit til the light changes. A session where you are activity for say an hour, then sit down to have a meal for another hour, then get up and work again is clearly two sessions separated by a meal?
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I have the Enduro 3 for a few months now. The reality is this:
Return to watch screen while recording an activity
Never used it
Pause an activity and resume later
Never used it
Customize activity buttons (like disabling the lap button)
Never used it
Night shift and/or red shift screen for at night
A die-hard MIP person. For now
More customizable watch screens (why so few data fields available? at least let me add data fields on the black and white raise-to-wake display)
Using just default one
Truly custom watch faces (not just modifying Suunto’s preset options)
Using just default one
More reliable message syncing (I see stale notifications all the time)
I have a mobile phone for this
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like on a social bike ride where you have a coffee stop half way, or lunch.
A social bike ride, as the name says, is about hanging out with people – not messing with gadgets while you’re with them
What exactly is ‘normal use’ supposed to mean? Time, weather? You’ve got all that available in the data fields, in the Suunto App, or on your phone anyway. To me, it sounds like you’re kind of looking for a problem.
Ah, you don’t do social rides. That’s ok.
And configuring a datascreen just to get watch functionality is. well… your choice, I guess.
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Ah. You want to ridicule other people’s opinions ….
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