Suunto Race 2 General Discussion
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@Ars-Vitae Suunto App planned route distances and elevation gains (ascent values) have always been quite inaccurate for me compared to Race S and Race. Distances are typically 3-5% short. Ascent can easily be 10-20% off, typically on the low side but I’ve seen cases when estimated ascent was 15-20% more than actual. I am pretty sure the app map data is inaccurate and not the watches. The situation was similar when I owned Garmin by the way. However I should mention that when I plan a route in Strava, the estimated ascent is surprisingly accurate compared to Suunto or Garmin. I think that is because they improved their elevation data with data from real activities.
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@sky-runner Thanks, you’re right, it’s hard to blame the watch for that, and now that I think about it, I have similarly good results with planning on Strava or Komoot, although the distance on the map is always shorter than in reality.
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Please bring local music storage to the watch - plenty of room ion the watch itself, so hopefully this can be rolled out in a firmware update
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@Danish_Nomad I would definitely like to see this - I have plenty of MP3 to upload!
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@tas2581 It only comes with the small strap.
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@Ars-Vitae about GPS accuracy. I was on hike today. Lot of time under the trees. I would say accuracy is same as it was with Suunto 5 (UPDATE: after comparing to 5 Peak, accuracy is better). While slow hike route is zigzag a little bit, but nothing horrible. I would say not bad, but not impresive either. In best performance mode, see screenshots.
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@Tomas5 This doesn’t look very accurate. But keep in mind that maps are simplified and not always accurate. A better method to see accuracy is to overlay the recorded path on top of the heatmap - this way you can see how your device recorded a path relative to all other devices. If the recorded path is in the middle of the heatmap path, that shows high accuracy. If it is offset to one side or outside of the heatmap path, that shows poor GPS accuracy.
You can see heatmap right in the Suunto App - you can turn on the heatmap layer. But if you are a Strava subscriber, that is even better because Strava builds heatmaps based on tracks from all devices and Suunto heatmaps are limited to only Suunto devices. Also, in Suunto heatmap paths are too wide compared to Strava, which makes it harder to assess the accuracy. But nevertheless, seeing how well recorded tracks are centered on the heatmap paths is a great indicator.
Here is one example - here you can see that the map is inaccurate compared to the heatmap in at least two places, but the track is reasonably well centered on the heatmap:
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@sky-runner this is with heatmap in suunto app.
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And here is for compare Suunto 5 Peak. Comparing side by side, Race 2 performance is better.
It was recorded as walk so heat map is different
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@sky-runner In my opinion, the heatmap is also created from these inaccurate routes. So it doesn´t have to be right.
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@Jan-Suchánek Heatmap is created from a large number of activities so it gets averaged. That is especially true if you look at Strava where heatmaps include data from all brands, which would avoid systemic errors from one particular brand.
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For someone who has both Race and Race 2: is the Race 2 more comfortable on the wrist? My Race has such sharp lugs that I need to place a piece of sticky tack putty on the back right lug of the case to keep it from cutting into my bony wrist (see pic). Is the Race 2 case different?
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@Bud_T said in Suunto Race 2 General Discussion:
For someone who has both Race and Race 2: is the Race 2 more comfortable on the wrist? My Race has such sharp lugs that I need to place a piece of sticky tack putty on the back right lug of the case to keep it from cutting into my bony wrist (see pic). Is the Race 2 case different?
For me its so big difference. Lugs never bothered me, but I never feel 100% comfortable with Race 1 Titanium, no matter spot on hand. After ordered Race2 Titanium and put in on my hand I already knew it was worth exchange just for that small change. Its super comfortable as for 49mm watch (I using default strap). I instantly put my Race1 on sale and sold it (it was almost brand new!!! and lost just few dollars. With textile strap You’ll probably be even more comfortable and lighter, but i like silicone one, just wash it under water after exercise and fresh ready to go, using soap + brush every few days to clean it completly. With textile it takes smells and dirt much faster. I would say SO FAR Race2 dont have big differences compared to Race One except heart rate sensor (which i find is very good) and they did all small changes that i didnt like in race 1. More comfortable, crown is clicking (in race1 when dirt gets in or cleaning, it stopping), a bit better and bigger screen, better HR sensor like i mentioned, faster UI and maps. Its just , Race 1 Pro " feeling. Time will tell what new brings :).
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@Bud_T If you want to keep Race 1 you can buy straps like this.
strap from Temu
Or you can buy a NATO strap if you do not use the optical sensor.
Race 2 lugs are different. They are above the case back surface. They are smaller and rounded. I had Race 1 but sent it back due to rubbing issue. I had marks on my wrist and it was painful on the bike. Race 2 does not left marks just the optical sensor. When I put Race 1 onto a flat surface without strap it sat on the four lugs. Race S is better. The highest point of the case at the back is the optical sensor. Race 2 is better in this regard. No marks on my wrist from the lugs.
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@Bud_T yes, the lugs are one of the big improvements of Race 2 compared to Race.
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@raven Suunto need to bring back the charger on my 4 year old (5?) Baro. Can barely get it off the watch the magnet is so strong! Great for charger on the go as it sits in place so well. Whereas my Race S charger is just terrible. If the watch isn’t “just right” it won’t charge.
Suunto Race S
Apple Watch Ultra 2
Coros Vertix
Suunto 9 Baro
Garmin Instinct
Polar M200 (retired)
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@szleslie thanks. I tried straps like that but didn’t really like them. It is good to hear that Race 2 is different this way.
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@Jeffrey-Tillack not possible.
As you might know, with the introduction of S9P, the GPS module was subject to break with the strong magnets and charging current at the same time.
That’s why the S9B magnet could not be used anymore.
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Not only lugs decreased, all geometry changed. Race 2 have a higher point on the heart sensor, positioning watch fit on wrist much higher, improving access to all buttons also ventilation. I had no problems with lugs but had constantly autoclicking crown button in Race 1, that also have been resolved in Race 2
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How long does battery last in Race 2? Let’s say 7 hours of exercise per week with best GPS, HR and sleep tracking on. Also notifications and AOD on. Can you turn AOD off and how does that effects? Just want to compare against Vertical and possibly soon to be released Vertical 2.
