New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28
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@brad_olwin maybe a customizable option for custom sport modes then?
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@brad_olwin
ā¦then another old request: higher grade of customization?! ā¦toggle for the HR dial?
or letās agree on 2 values to add there: HR and ascent rate -
@freeheeler That would be even better! Last weekend I was running along a route never run (nor walked - all in an urban environment) before trying to stay in (power) zone 2, which was a bit of a challenge but would not have been if I could have activated the zone ring on the navigation screen. Maybe different types of navigation screens if customising a specific screen is too difficult/not in line with strategy etc?
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@freeheeler that would solve it. Actually, I and a couple others have asked for NGP to be an intensity zone. If that happens Iāll be in your camp.
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@brad_olwin
I started looking at NGP a bit more recently since I think it gives me a better idea (in relation to avg HR) than VO2maxā¦ but as you know, Iām a pure amateur -
observed today: ran a route today with navigation. it went down the same way as it went up. half way down the navi arrows showed correctly back home but the alti graph showed as if I was running backwards down again
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@brad_olwin
I noticed today that NGP must be something that behaves similar as avg ascent rate would behave over the entire activity, is that possible? or am I completely wrong now?
avg ascent rate on a round trip would be 0m/h. NGP is to balance out ascending but also descending pace, right?
today my uphill was quite slow but I felt that my downhill was even slower as the risk of twisting ankles was relatively high.
in this case I found that overall NGP was pretty useless as I tried really hard while going uphills and in the end the NGP was something around 8:42min/kmā¦
would you recommend to separate up and downhill in 2 activities when it becomes technical?
thanks for your input
ā¦I know itās not the perfect thread for itā¦ but we somehow started this topic in here -
Hi all, i have just noticed that during the Suunto9B watch update the app requested a total reset of the watchā¦so now i still have the trainings history in the app, but lost everything in the watchā¦ also the sport profiles and logsā¦Is this something normal ?
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@argo320
yes, full reset means factory reset and after that everything is gone and canāt be synced back. thatās whatās normal.
whatās not normal is the watch asking for this.
check the next time if it happens again.
Iāve never had this issue.
One trick that Iāve recently learned to avoid unwanted behavior seems to restart your laptop after Suunto Link has been updated and before you update your watch -
@freeheeler thanks for the tip
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@cosme-costa said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:
@mff73 I just have checked and like @freeheeler the zones are still the same.
If nothing changes, on Saturday and on Monday I want to do some trail runs with good ascent, will see how it behaves.
Thanks!!
Well, I think that VO2max, at least for me, is not working well with Trail Running. On Saturday I run 20.1 km with +1048 m, 6.06/km pace and avg HR 156 ( 23% Z5, 56% Z4 and 18% Z3) and my VO2max 55.5, then on Monday I did 20.86 km +989 m, 5.59/km pace and avg HR 152 (15% Z5, 51% Z4 and 28% Z3) and VO2max went down to 54.3, so 1.2 less for what I consider quite similar conditions.
My VO2max was fluctuating around 58.5 normally before the firmware update, which is quite accurate with my last lab test (59.9). The new values are really going against my feelings and times/pace. -
@cosme-costa maybe some hiking or walking in between afects it ?
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos
while you mention it: I did an uphill ārunā followed by a downhill ārunā without starting a new activity and VO2max went down compared to my previous activity.
I couldnāt go any faster uphill and HR was very high compared to my usual rolling runs. but the descent was very technical and I could barely walk, it was sometimes scrambling.
I understand VO2max as the maximum possible. But if things like slower pace or a āweak minuteā during a run impact VO2max, then it would rather be a VO2average, no?and similar question for NGP. I assume descents are also normalized. while we can run faster on flattish descents, the steeper it gets, the slower I run, especially on dirt, gravel or even loose rocks and dried leaves.
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@freeheeler Iām afraid terrain is a limitation one cannot account for.
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@dmytro
I think so, tooā¦ NGP for downhills will work for downhills where you can run my that much faster as it would slow you down in uphills.and I think I will never understand the VO2max calculation
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@freeheeler I wish thereād be a toggle for that. Or, just like polar does it, a set of dedicated tests without the use of firstbeatās fancy algos.
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@dmytro
wishlist: more toggles
ā¦I will do the Polar VO2max, soon. Last time I did it (with verity sense) it showed a very poor result as I did it few hours after a run. Since it is based on rest HR and I have a quite high post workout HR, I suspect it was not as intended by Polar -
@freeheeler you say, you donāt need a watch to do such test?
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@cosme-costa I have a lab test for VO2 Max at 56, and a lot of data with both a Suunto 9Peak as well as now a Garmin Epix 2. With the Suunto my values typically bounce between 45 and 50. I am now doing a fair bit of vertical that is technical so downhill speeds are not fast, I see my VO2 dropping when I do these runs. I am in a Tempo block now for training (almost done) where I am not running much over LTR and that has dropped my VO2Max as well. The highest values I get are interval speed work on flat terrain as intervals on hills do not provide as high a VO2Max value.
The Garmin seems a little less sensitive as I am typically 46-50 for VO2Max but I am losing there too as soon as I stopped doing intervals. I have a major anaerobic deficit. (One of the many things I dislike about the Garmin as there is no recourse. It seems geared completely to road running).So, I would not worry too much about your values, I have not seen dramatic changes but am seeing mine drop as I expected even though I am more fit and getting faster on my routes. You are a strong runner so I would not be overly concerned about the data, the watches are only so good.
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos you know what I doā¦. Yes I did a hike in between, Sunday, but I havenāt written it down because the values were the same than on Saturday, no change, 55.5. Do you think that it could have such impact?
@Brad_Olwin, eventually it is not so important and I know that can fluctuate (in a race the only important value is the total time, non all the other metrics are important). The thing is that with the previous algo, the VO2max in trail running used to go down a little bit less than now, and I always thought that was because it didnāt consider well the ascent, so I expected that the new algo would be more close to running in flat because it takes into account the ascent but it seems that is more sensible.
Anyway, thank you all!!