What do you expect from the next update?
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Having had many watches from different brands, personally I love the simplicity of the Suunto watches. There’s a lot of marketing between tons of metrics that many times do not have sense. Like this one, which is just marketing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/ygtqjz/does_your_garmin_watch_learns_your_real_stamina/ .
Here is supposed that you are out of stamina after 6 hours and in that ultra and you are running 4 hours more. So yes, that is garbage added to an expensive watch, like the F7 Pro I had. Coros is adding some of those Garmin things (like the stress measurement), and with weird results. I really hope Suunto does not create those things that are pure marketing.I personally bought the Vertical for the real world. And that’s a watch that is accurate (probably the most of the market), with very long lasting battery (best of the market), lightweight (best of the market with that battery lasting), with a good design (personally I think the best of the market with a 1.4 inch panel in 49mm) and, in the case of the Vertical, very premium materials. Having owned very expensive watches, I find the Vertical incredible good.
About the bugs and features, I can see 3 points:
- Bugs. Those should be of course fixed, because were announced things and correct operation is expected. I.E. The step counter seems to count like 3 times the real steps when not on workout (when in workout, i.e, running in the treadmill with no GPS, seems pretty accurate).
- Mixed between bugs and features. I.E. Those things in these forums like the watch not supporting multiple sensors of the same type (cyclists), the alarms between intervals when running (runners) or the wake up alarms for weekdays (people that does not work from monday to friday at the same time, does not work, is retired, work shifts…). These, is good to have them fixed because the functionality of the watch affects several groups of people.
- Features. These are totally free things. We are receaving the “Climb Pro”. This is for free. It’s a nice thing to have, but it’s just another thing. As a trail runner, I’d love to see it but, as said, I bought the watch without expecting that. And I’m happy.
Same goes for those that want music. We bought the watch knowing there was not that feature. Personally I don’t want that thing in my watch. I had it on Garmin and have never used the watch for music.
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@dreamer_ I used a Garmin Epix Gen 2 for 8 months. On every run over 6-8h my Stamina was 0, despite finishing a race at 24h later. I think the new Endurance and Hill scores, which I did not try were a way to get around this. I found most of the training metrics on the Garmin useless, similar to the suggested workouts. The training is geared toward marathons and shorter races and not optimized for trails. I think is works well for road running.
TrainingPeaks has been a leader in planning and assessing fitness for Triathlon, Road and now Ultra. I have used TP for nearly two decades now and it has served me well. I am extremely pleased that Suunto now uses TP metrics for training. I no longer have to visit TP so often!
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@thailon said in What do you expect from the next update?:
@Brad_Olwin https://www.chinesesmartwatches.com/suunto-rolling-out-a-new-software-update-2-35-34-q2-for-suunto-race-s-race-vertical-and-9-peak-pro/
I am aware as I have been testing the firmware for months!
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@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:
Having had many watches from different brands, personally I love the simplicity of the Suunto watches. There’s a lot of marketing between tons of metrics that many times do not have sense. Like this one, which is just marketing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/ygtqjz/does_your_garmin_watch_learns_your_real_stamina/ .
Here is supposed that you are out of stamina after 6 hours and in that ultra and you are running 4 hours more. So yes, that is garbage added to an expensive watch, like the F7 Pro I had. Coros is adding some of those Garmin things (like the stress measurement), and with weird results. I really hope Suunto does not create those things that are pure marketing.I personally bought the Vertical for the real world. And that’s a watch that is accurate (probably the most of the market), with very long lasting battery (best of the market), lightweight (best of the market with that battery lasting), with a good design (personally I think the best of the market with a 1.4 inch panel in 49mm) and, in the case of the Vertical, very premium materials. Having owned very expensive watches, I find the Vertical incredible good.
About the bugs and features, I can see 3 points:
- Bugs. Those should be of course fixed, because were announced things and correct operation is expected. I.E. The step counter seems to count like 3 times the real steps when not on workout (when in workout, i.e, running in the treadmill with no GPS, seems pretty accurate).
- Mixed between bugs and features. I.E. Those things in these forums like the watch not supporting multiple sensors of the same type (cyclists), the alarms between intervals when running (runners) or the wake up alarms for weekdays (people that does not work from monday to friday at the same time, does not work, is retired, work shifts…). These, is good to have them fixed because the functionality of the watch affects several groups of people.
- Features. These are totally free things. We are receaving the “Climb Pro”. This is for free. It’s a nice thing to have, but it’s just another thing. As a trail runner, I’d love to see it but, as said, I bought the watch without expecting that. And I’m happy.
Same goes for those that want music. We bought the watch knowing there was not that feature. Personally I don’t want that thing in my watch. I had it on Garmin and have never used the watch for music.
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@Brad_Olwin Totally agree about TP.
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I have updated the firmware. The 90 hour battery with dual band is a very nice surprise. This watch will probably survive the worst 200 miller I can imagine with dual band enabled and without using the charger. The Fenix is a lot behind, and the Vertical beats clearly the Enduro, which is basically a Fenix with more battery.
The Step Counter seems fixed fixed for me. I need to test it better but, for now, it is not counting steps all time like it was before. Fantastic.It seems broken. It is impossible to have more than 1400 steps at this moment in the morning (in one hour and half since I woke up)
So for the question “What do you expect from the next update?”, I will refer to the next thing:
@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:
- Mixed between bugs and features. I.E. Those things in these forums like the watch not supporting multiple sensors of the same type (cyclists), the alarms between intervals when running (runners) or the wake up alarms for weekdays (people that does not work from monday to friday at the same time, does not work, is retired, work shifts…). These, is good to have them fixed because the functionality of the watch affects several groups of people.
These should be the next big ones. It is not only cyclists, runners, or the alarms thing to cover all people, but also things that triathletes appreciate. With all the new features added and improvements for those who do trail running, this is the next big piece of the cake. Those things are also a very big opportunity that Suunto should not forget.
But, about the sensors thing, this reviewer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83Wu-8xjFk&t=38s says that Suunto is already working in a fix (in Spanish, go to 18:40).
Extremely happy with the update. Just to remember the real and the important things, when sport matters.
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@dreamer_ if Suunto read your post and effectively fix these points this year it will be awesome, I totally share your view on the features/bugs/mixed segmentation, we were already gifted by this update but multiples sensors and customs alarms will makes me more than happy (because I m already damn happy currently
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Great update.
New things will probably require minor corrections and improvements.There are probably only three things left to make the Suunto watches (currently on the market) great:
- contour lines on the map view of at least 500-1000 m,
- support for many sensors of the same type,
- improvements in intervals/structured training options
Any extras such as music or payments (unrealistic at the moment anyway) can be treated as optional (and unwanted for many) gifts from Suunto.
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@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:
Great update.
New things will probably require minor corrections and improvements.There are probably only three things left to make the Suunto watches (currently on the market) great:
- contour lines on the map view of at least 500-1000 m,
- support for many sensors of the same type,
- improvements in intervals/structured training options
Any extras such as music or payments (unrealistic at the moment anyway) can be treated as optional (and unwanted for many) gifts from Suunto.
- And the possibility to select the weekdays in alarms. This: https://forum.suunto.com/topic/9790/alarm-clock
I agree with you, with that little “but”.
The contour lines seems more a feature for me. It’s an improvement but the other ones are more like fixes.
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@dreamer_ Current maps without contour lines covering a larger area are often useless in the mountains.
This is unacceptable in this type of watches. These are not smartwatches, but watches designed for various activities, often in the mountains. -
@maszop just to disagree in the unacceptable word. I agree that is an improvement and also that it could be a nice to have, but that’s not a big issue for navigation in my opinion. Navigation does work. It is more an improvement of feature that was not there when we bought the watch.
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@dreamer_ How can you tell the step counter is broken because you don’t have more than 1400 steps in the morning?
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@Iggge no. Because those are a lot of steps since I woke up. It has no sense to have so many steps. I will recheck at the end of the day but with just one hour and half since I woke up, It seems the issue is still there (at least for me)
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@dreamer_ I got no problems here. Sure, it’s not 100% accurate but then again no watch is that. For me it works just fine. The best thing for me is that the watch don’t show 200 steps in the morning after my 6 hour sleep!
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@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:
@maszop just to disagree in the unacceptable word. I agree that is an improvement and also that it could be a nice to have, but that’s not a big issue for navigation in my opinion.
Navigation does work, exactly the same as in 9PP. But here we are talking about newer models, about maps in the mountains.
In the mountains, current maps work very poorly and are often useless without contour lines. This is a very serious problem that must be solved. Very often in the mountains the only thing visible on the map are the contour lines.
And it is not without reason that this distinguishes topographic maps from ordinary road maps. -
@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:
@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:
@maszop just to disagree in the unacceptable word. I agree that is an improvement and also that it could be a nice to have, but that’s not a big issue for navigation in my opinion.
Navigation does work, exactly the same as in 9PP. But here we are talking about newer models, about maps in the mountains.
In the mountains, current maps work very poorly and are often useless without contour lines. This is a very serious problem that must be solved. Very often in the mountains the only thing visible on the map are the contour lines.
And it is not without reason that this distinguishes topographic maps from ordinary road maps.Why do maps work poorly? You have contour lines as well. There are simply no contour lines at the zoom level you desire. I don’t see this as a serious problem on a watch.
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@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:
@Iggge no. Because those are a lot of steps since I woke up. It has no sense to have so many steps. I will recheck at the end of the day but with just one hour and half since I woke up, It seems the issue is still there (at least for me)
Try deleting and re adding the complication. Check to see if the widget is not counting. If no steps maybe restart the watch.
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@Brad_Olwin thanks!. Done. Will check at the end of day
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Edit: I have reseted also all the data of the watch and re-synced. That means that I have lost today’s steps but I don’t care about that. So I will check tomorroy again -
@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.
