What do you expect from the next update?

[Likarnik]

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

Oh, the drama.

The problem is bugs and quality of life vs the addition of new features. I’d argue that the former is essential to sustain certain product quality, but the latter is extra (or may become a standard if major market players decide so, as we’ve seen happened with barometer).

Now, I get it that S9PP was a proof of concept watch to a certain extent - a new hardware running a new OS / UI in an “old” case. But if I were to be stuck with the firmware available on the release date - that would be a very sluggish and unresponsive watch with a firmware in a strong beta stage at most.

It took approximately a year after the release to optimise the issues of a young firmware, which was quite a long time, considering the watch was already in the market.

However, after the Race was released - the general “feel” of the new UI seems pretty much established and not in need of any dramatic adjustments.

The fact that the majority of new features come down to 9PP is a welcome addition, but I also suspect it’s Suunto’s strategy to have a software as uniform as possible, so that potential buyers don’t have to dig into specifications and reviews too much and to actually have a line of products that are positioned in a certain feature set and an “era”.

The side effect to such strategy is that the new functionalities, developed for new watches, are also available with the older ones. This makes sense as it adds value to the product and is easier and cheaper to support from the software perspective if firmware from multiple units is as similar as possible (perhaps, all the functionalities are there but are just switched off by a flag if there’s no hardware support).

But I have no illusion that it’s because of aforementioned circumstances we’re getting new firmware with new features and not because the Suunto is exceptional in regards to taking care about its products and users and is willing to throw extra money to supporting i.e. 5 year old products out if its good heart.

The development for S9PP firmware may as well freeze tomorrow if a new line of devices appears and development would have to diverge too much between the devices in order to sustain it.

So don’t wait for a new firmware with superb new features as it may never come and is not given. Just use the watch as it was delivered on the first day, or get another one if there’s something impossible to overcome.

[EzioAuditore]

Let’s divert a bit the conversation Was there maybe some update to the APIs that the sync of the watch takes literally seconds? Is it only my ‘feeling’? Today I tried few times to sync and what used to be a bit longer process, now feels so quick. I even had to make sure that everything was synced since it felt quite fast

[Brad_Olwin]

@isazi said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@maszop my Vertical was the watch I wanted on day 1, that’s the reason I bought it. Everything else that came after is just a bonus. If you believe you can buy a product and wait for it to become something else, well, look naive in the dictionary.

And as did I buy a Vertical on day 1 with engraving… The only bug I need fixed is the loss of breadcrumb, and in the new release it appears to be fixed.

[EzioAuditore]

@Brad_Olwin ‘Shut up legs’ Mine would be: shut up toes

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

Hopefully next week we can resolve this issue. Minor hiccupz.

[FunkyLarma]

@Brad_Olwin classic Jens

[Mitch9]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in What do you expect from the next update?:

Hopefully next week we can resolve this issue. Minor hiccupz.

This means we have to wait until next week (or longer) for the update, right? No problem for me but I just want to know.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Mitch9 what is a week in the context of the eternal joy from fixed bugs?

[Mitch9]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Mitch9 what is a week in the context of the eternal joy from fixed bugs?

Nothing! I’m absolutely fine with that. I just want to save my F5 button from unnecessary usage.

[dreamer_]

Having had many watches from different brands, personally I love the simplicity of the Suunto watches. There’s a lot of marketing between tons of metrics that many times do not have sense. Like this one, which is just marketing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/ygtqjz/does_your_garmin_watch_learns_your_real_stamina/ .
Here is supposed that you are out of stamina after 6 hours and in that ultra and you are running 4 hours more. So yes, that is garbage added to an expensive watch, like the F7 Pro I had. Coros is adding some of those Garmin things (like the stress measurement), and with weird results. I really hope Suunto does not create those things that are pure marketing.

I personally bought the Vertical for the real world. And that’s a watch that is accurate (probably the most of the market), with very long lasting battery (best of the market), lightweight (best of the market with that battery lasting), with a good design (personally I think the best of the market with a 1.4 inch panel in 49mm) and, in the case of the Vertical, very premium materials. Having owned very expensive watches, I find the Vertical incredible good.

About the bugs and features, I can see 3 points:

• Bugs. Those should be of course fixed, because were announced things and correct operation is expected. I.E. The step counter seems to count like 3 times the real steps when not on workout (when in workout, i.e, running in the treadmill with no GPS, seems pretty accurate).
• Mixed between bugs and features. I.E. Those things in these forums like the watch not supporting multiple sensors of the same type (cyclists), the alarms between intervals when running (runners) or the wake up alarms for weekdays (people that does not work from monday to friday at the same time, does not work, is retired, work shifts…). These, is good to have them fixed because the functionality of the watch affects several groups of people.
• Features. These are totally free things. We are receaving the “Climb Pro”. This is for free. It’s a nice thing to have, but it’s just another thing. As a trail runner, I’d love to see it but, as said, I bought the watch without expecting that. And I’m happy.
  Same goes for those that want music. We bought the watch knowing there was not that feature. Personally I don’t want that thing in my watch. I had it on Garmin and have never used the watch for music.

[Brad_Olwin]

@dreamer_ I used a Garmin Epix Gen 2 for 8 months. On every run over 6-8h my Stamina was 0, despite finishing a race at 24h later. I think the new Endurance and Hill scores, which I did not try were a way to get around this. I found most of the training metrics on the Garmin useless, similar to the suggested workouts. The training is geared toward marathons and shorter races and not optimized for trails. I think is works well for road running.

TrainingPeaks has been a leader in planning and assessing fitness for Triathlon, Road and now Ultra. I have used TP for nearly two decades now and it has served me well. I am extremely pleased that Suunto now uses TP metrics for training. I no longer have to visit TP so often!

[thailon]

@Brad_Olwin https://www.chinesesmartwatches.com/suunto-rolling-out-a-new-software-update-2-35-34-q2-for-suunto-race-s-race-vertical-and-9-peak-pro/

[Brad_Olwin]

@thailon said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin https://www.chinesesmartwatches.com/suunto-rolling-out-a-new-software-update-2-35-34-q2-for-suunto-race-s-race-vertical-and-9-peak-pro/

I am aware as I have been testing the firmware for months!

[Iggge]

@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:

Having had many watches from different brands, personally I love the simplicity of the Suunto watches. There’s a lot of marketing between tons of metrics that many times do not have sense. Like this one, which is just marketing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/ygtqjz/does_your_garmin_watch_learns_your_real_stamina/ .
Here is supposed that you are out of stamina after 6 hours and in that ultra and you are running 4 hours more. So yes, that is garbage added to an expensive watch, like the F7 Pro I had. Coros is adding some of those Garmin things (like the stress measurement), and with weird results. I really hope Suunto does not create those things that are pure marketing.

I personally bought the Vertical for the real world. And that’s a watch that is accurate (probably the most of the market), with very long lasting battery (best of the market), lightweight (best of the market with that battery lasting), with a good design (personally I think the best of the market with a 1.4 inch panel in 49mm) and, in the case of the Vertical, very premium materials. Having owned very expensive watches, I find the Vertical incredible good.

About the bugs and features, I can see 3 points:

• Bugs. Those should be of course fixed, because were announced things and correct operation is expected. I.E. The step counter seems to count like 3 times the real steps when not on workout (when in workout, i.e, running in the treadmill with no GPS, seems pretty accurate).
• Mixed between bugs and features. I.E. Those things in these forums like the watch not supporting multiple sensors of the same type (cyclists), the alarms between intervals when running (runners) or the wake up alarms for weekdays (people that does not work from monday to friday at the same time, does not work, is retired, work shifts…). These, is good to have them fixed because the functionality of the watch affects several groups of people.
• Features. These are totally free things. We are receaving the “Climb Pro”. This is for free. It’s a nice thing to have, but it’s just another thing. As a trail runner, I’d love to see it but, as said, I bought the watch without expecting that. And I’m happy.
  Same goes for those that want music. We bought the watch knowing there was not that feature. Personally I don’t want that thing in my watch. I had it on Garmin and have never used the watch for music.

[dreamer_]

@Brad_Olwin Totally agree about TP.

[dreamer_]

I have updated the firmware. The 90 hour battery with dual band is a very nice surprise. This watch will probably survive the worst 200 miller I can imagine with dual band enabled and without using the charger. The Fenix is a lot behind, and the Vertical beats clearly the Enduro, which is basically a Fenix with more battery.
The Step Counter seems fixed fixed for me. I need to test it better but, for now, it is not counting steps all time like it was before. Fantastic.

It seems broken. It is impossible to have more than 1400 steps at this moment in the morning (in one hour and half since I woke up)

So for the question “What do you expect from the next update?”, I will refer to the next thing:

@dreamer_ said in What do you expect from the next update?:

• Mixed between bugs and features. I.E. Those things in these forums like the watch not supporting multiple sensors of the same type (cyclists), the alarms between intervals when running (runners) or the wake up alarms for weekdays (people that does not work from monday to friday at the same time, does not work, is retired, work shifts…). These, is good to have them fixed because the functionality of the watch affects several groups of people.

These should be the next big ones. It is not only cyclists, runners, or the alarms thing to cover all people, but also things that triathletes appreciate. With all the new features added and improvements for those who do trail running, this is the next big piece of the cake. Those things are also a very big opportunity that Suunto should not forget.

But, about the sensors thing, this reviewer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83Wu-8xjFk&t=38s says that Suunto is already working in a fix (in Spanish, go to 18:40).

Extremely happy with the update. Just to remember the real and the important things, when sport matters.
Thanks for the hard work. Fantastic job Suunto.

[Josaiplu]

@dreamer_ if Suunto read your post and effectively fix these points this year it will be awesome, I totally share your view on the features/bugs/mixed segmentation, we were already gifted by this update but multiples sensors and customs alarms will makes me more than happy (because I m already damn happy currently )

[maszop]

Great update.
New things will probably require minor corrections and improvements.

There are probably only three things left to make the Suunto watches (currently on the market) great:

• contour lines on the map view of at least 500-1000 m,
• support for many sensors of the same type,
• improvements in intervals/structured training options

Any extras such as music or payments (unrealistic at the moment anyway) can be treated as optional (and unwanted for many) gifts from Suunto.

[dreamer_]

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

Great update.
New things will probably require minor corrections and improvements.

There are probably only three things left to make the Suunto watches (currently on the market) great:

• contour lines on the map view of at least 500-1000 m,
• support for many sensors of the same type,
• improvements in intervals/structured training options

Any extras such as music or payments (unrealistic at the moment anyway) can be treated as optional (and unwanted for many) gifts from Suunto.

• And the possibility to select the weekdays in alarms. This: https://forum.suunto.com/topic/9790/alarm-clock
  I agree with you, with that little “but”.
  The contour lines seems more a feature for me. It’s an improvement but the other ones are more like fixes.