Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection

Jugger

My Vertical is showing really short sleeping times. I did soft reset last saturday because of black map. Maps were fixed but after that I get maybe 3-5 hours of sleep on summary though I sleep approx. 8 hours. I also installed new hotfix when it was published but it has no effect. I copied settings from S9PP and it never showed this kind of behavior. Should I wait for new FW update or try soft reset? Sleeptimes are set 23.35 - 9.00. DND is off.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Jugger it needs 1 week to calibrate

Jugger

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks! It was working well after I got it so I got worried there was some problem with FW or SW. I’ll keep using it and see what happens.

gone troppo

@Jugger

Hey mate I get the same, gets it wrong by very short sleep times maybe 60% of the time. I told them in the survey they must allow us to manually edit sleep otherwise all other metrics are useless

gone troppo

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

I have had the watch 4.5 weeks and it hasn’t gotten better in fact the first week I had it was the best by far in terms of sleep recording

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@gone-troppo so the start / end sleep times are wrong or the total sleep duration ?

What times have you setup and what times do you usually go to sleep and wake up ?

Jugger

Here’s before soft reset sleeping summary. Last night I started sleeping a bit after midnight but watch says 6.38 which is totally wrong.

ericjean

@Frederick-Rochette @runomatic Just a quick point on battery life & use (generic stand point):
1/ Battery provide energy through a chimical process and it’s efficiency is depending on the external temperature: The battery use depends highly of the environmental situation. 2/ GPS energy use vary widely depending the zone, the electromagnetic perturbation around the gps receiver, the cloud, the orientation of the gps antenna etc etc
3/ what you call guys ‘calibration’ is the worst exercise a battery can run through: Below a 20 to 40%, depending on battery chimistery, the risk to permanently damage a battery cell (aka individual element) is important and this ‘calibration’ is in fact the best way to decrease the life of your battery.
4/ Battery duration provided by any OEM is a calculation done in best condition for GPS reception, temperature etc etc. These conditions are pretty far from real life and everyday use.
5/ As per my own ‘vertical’ experience yesterday 3 hours a bike ride under the rain at 20° as used as much battery as today 1h54 at 30° - 35° with no cloud: 6% with screen on, two sensors and one Suunto plus app. As a comparison my bike computer was using 3x more battery % . Globally my experience show that one week of use including 15 to 20 hours of training use 30 to 40 % of the battery.

As a conclusion do not worry of the battery use. Just take the Suunto data for what is it an approximation. What you have noticed during your runs seems pretty good to me and in relation with what I’ve experienced.

Enjoy sports, pain and suffering it is the best way to heaven

runomatic

@ericjean On the subject of calibration: Everyone says something different, the more or less official version here in the forum is like this:

https://forum.suunto.com/topic/9014/suunto-beta-release-for-suunto-9-peak-pro-suunto-9-peak-suunto-9-baro-suunto-9-and-suunto-5-peak/157?_=1687518020158

LitchiMonster

I used the “Intensity Zones” display, found in custom sport modes, on my run today. I used HR zones. Two issues:

Time above / below current zone incorrect. I noticed that the time within zones, above your current zone shows zero, and only shows the correct time when you enter that zone. Example, while in Zone 2, Zone 3 time shows zero, even though I was definitely in Zone 3 at some point before. Also time below current zone didn’t seem correct.
Custom fields in display: When configuring the “Intensity Zones” display, you are given two options for custom fields. Only field 2 is shown at the bottom of the screen. I would think only one field should be configurable when looking at the display? It doesn’t seem to scroll between the two offered fields.

Otherwise this display seems useful when trying to train with HR zones! I Hope it gets fixed at some point. As a Suunto owner I always have hope

gone troppo

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

It gets the wake up time right every time it gets the start time wrong. I have it set up for sleep time from 8pm to 7am, I’m usually asleep by 8:30-9pm and up up 5:20am. When it gets the sleep right it nails it almost perfectly like last night it was perfect but randomly 60% of the time it will get my going to sleep time wrong by many hours ie telling me I’m going to sleep at 11pm-1am type thing.

ChrisA

@gone-troppo for me reducing the resting HR value by one or two beats helped me with this. If RHR is too high, Suunto watches never get my „falling asleep time“ right, if I set it too low resources won’t see me recover while sitting down and relaxing (but not sleeping). I had to find a the right balance, then it worked most if the time (correct sleep times and recovery)

gone troppo

@ChrisA

How interesting I had no idea the resting heart rate would impact this? I thought it just based on accelerometer

stromdiddily

New one that I haven’t seen posted…incomplete HR graph on the watch vs reported in SA

ChrisA

@gone-troppo actually I have no scientific or whatsoever evidence that I am right it might be completely coincidence and the sleep metrics could have been starting to be correct without changing RHR at all, just by themselves . But for me it seemed to work and I always thought, that sleep is detected by both, the accelerometer (not moving) and lower average HR than when being awake.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@gone-troppo ok. For me the guideline is to put the sleep hours 1h or 1.5 h before I usually go to sleep.

For example if I sleep at 12 that I do I put the sleep time at 10

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Which leads to false sleep start times in my case if I relax on the couch and don’t move a lot. Happened again yesterday. I went to bed at 00:23, but the watch had me sleeping by 22:44.

babychai

@Ilya-Sul initially i have this problem when i set my sleeping time 1 hour early. Once i changed it to 1 hour late now my start sleeping and wake up time work like a charm. work very well for my SV and S9P. So intelligent

gone troppo

@babychai

So your saying set it 1 hour after usual sleep time and Dimitri saying 1-1.5 hours before usual sleep time ???

babychai

@gone-troppo correct. i set it 1 hour after sleeping time work very for my SV and S9P. based on personal experiences