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    Firmware Rollback - Firmware with best GPS

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    • ? Offline
      A Former User
      last edited by

      Hi,

      Since i’m on this forum i read many times “since the new update GPS works bad”

      So anyone here have try to rollback to a better version ?

      For you guys which one was the best in terms of GPS quality ?

      Geek do you think you can help to do a rollback if it’s not natively possible ?

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        surfboomerang @Guest
        last edited by surfboomerang

        @g287-sf AFAIK most complains were the result of AGPS issues on Sony"s side. Not much Suunto firmware could do.

        Also I’m not sure if every watch firmware version also included GPS chip firmware

        Are you facing accuracy issues right now because of your question?

        Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar
        OnePlus Nord 4

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          Egika Platinum Member @Guest
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          @g287-sf said in Firmware Rollback - Firmware with best GPS:

          Geek do you think you can help to do a rollback if it’s not natively possible ?

          You can easily change the FW by using the file and drag and drop it to Suuntolink

          t6, S6, Elementum Terra, Ambit 3 Sapphire, Spartan Ultra Copper, Traverse Alpha, S7 Graphite LE, S9B Ambassador, S9P Granite Blue Titanium, S9PP Titanium Sand, Vertical All Black, Race Titanium Charcoal,
          Race S All Black - TI Canary - Titanium Courtney

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            A Former User @surfboomerang
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            @surfboomerang the only issue i have was with altitude on a trail i did 2 times in one week. If you want compare
            Screenshot_20210207-160558.jpg

            Screenshot_20210207-160447.jpg

            For firmware it’s just a question to see what people think because i read many times

            " this new firmware is a downgrade "
            “since the new firmware gps have issue”

            And we can see this last firmware say " GPS improvement".
            So we can affirm this improvement don’t work because people were happier before this modification and a majority of them find their gps is less reliable since they update their watch.

            What do you think ? Sorry for my english, try my best

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              isazi Moderator @Guest
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              @g287-sf I’m actually happier now 🙂 I am now using GPS only (instead of Baidou) and get very good tracks. In my opinion, since I bought my S9 in August 2019 the GPS has improved a lot.

              Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

              Blog: isazi's home

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                A Former User @isazi
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                @isazi i’m in France and set GPS/GZSS + Galileo. it don’t looks bad. But i should try GPS/GZSS only.
                Beidou shouldn’t be interesting for me, it’s for asia if i’m right and i’m in europe.

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                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @Guest
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                  @g287-sf You cannot compare GPS tracks from one day to the next, too many variables. In fact, you should not compare them with one watch on each arm. Each firmware release that Suunto provides is extensively tested prior to release by far more exhaustive testing than you might imagine. The perception that a particular firmware is less or more precise is just that, a perception. Unless you have data to support the claim.

                  Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                    isazi Moderator @Guest
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                    @g287-sf to be fair, on any given day there are probably more Beidou satellites visible over France than Galileo ones.

                    Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                    Blog: isazi's home

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                      A Former User @isazi
                      last edited by

                      @isazi Do you know a reliable android app or website to check satellite position ?

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                        stromdiddily Gold Members @Guest
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                        @g287-sf said in Firmware Rollback - Firmware with best GPS:

                        @isazi Do you know a reliable android app or website to check satellite position ?

                        Lots 🙂

                        https://play.google.com/store/search?q=gnss&c=apps&hl=en_US&gl=US

                        https://satpredictor2.deere.com/lookup

                        https://app.qzss.go.jp/GNSSView/gnssview.html?t=1612823822006

                        Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                        User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                          A Former User @Brad_Olwin
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                          @brad_olwin My 2 GPS tracks looks similar. It was just altitude who was bad.

                          For me 10 meters difference for GPS is acceptable when we know gps precision is around 3.3 meters. More is limit for outdoor device because it can cause orientation error.

                          For Altitude with a baro and fusedalti capable device 5 meters should be good. I compare with all my casio protek who always give me a good altitude ±5 m as indicated on map or directly on place.

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                            A Former User @isazi
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                            @isazi Screenshot_20210208-234635.jpg

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                              Egika Platinum Member @Guest
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                              @g287-sf said in Firmware Rollback - Firmware with best GPS:

                              For firmware it’s just a question to see what people think because i read many times

                              " this new firmware is a downgrade "
                              “since the new firmware gps have issue”

                              And we can see this last firmware say " GPS improvement".
                              So we can affirm this improvement don’t work because people were happier before this modification and a majority of them find their gps is less reliable since they update their watch.

                              What do you think ? Sorry for my english, try my best

                              Just one statement:
                              If you read something many times in the internet it does not mean a majority has this opinion.

                              t6, S6, Elementum Terra, Ambit 3 Sapphire, Spartan Ultra Copper, Traverse Alpha, S7 Graphite LE, S9B Ambassador, S9P Granite Blue Titanium, S9PP Titanium Sand, Vertical All Black, Race Titanium Charcoal,
                              Race S All Black - TI Canary - Titanium Courtney

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                                Mi_chael Bronze Member @Guest
                                last edited by Mi_chael

                                @g287-sf
                                Pour moi, Suunto (A3 Peak, S5, S7, S9 Baro) fournit la meilleure précision GPS du marché. (Set to GPS only)
                                Ma Vertix n’est pas loin derrière.
                                Ma F6 pro ferme la marche…

                                Polar n’a pas réussi à égalé la précision de la V800, sur la Vantage V du moins.

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                                  surfboomerang @Guest
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                                  @g287-sf said in Firmware Rollback - Firmware with best GPS:

                                  @brad_olwin My 2 GPS tracks looks similar. It was just altitude who was bad.
                                  For me 10 meters difference for GPS is acceptable when we know gps precision is around 3.3 meters. More is limit for outdoor device because it can cause orientation error.

                                  Keep in mind that the GPS precision most people talk about is the horizontal precision. Vertical is usually much less precise. That is where the barometer comes to the rescue.
                                  To be honest, if calibrated correctly, the Suunto 9 baro is pretty accurate in altitude to me.

                                  Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar
                                  OnePlus Nord 4

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                                    freeheeler @Guest
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                                    @g287-sf
                                    I have set my watch to GPS+QZSS after playing a bit with the other systems, too. I left it as mentioned and never touched it or thought about it. Some days it’s better, some days it’s worse. But always in regards to the track itself. I think altitude shouldn’t be an issue as you’ve got the baro, right?

                                    @Brad_Olwin
                                    you’re right, the true comparison is only possible with your cyborg tests like you do with many watches on one arm 😉 👍
                                    but I think users get a general feeling if their devices are more precise, react quicker etc… it is more of an impression thing I guess.

                                    living sideways

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                                      Brad_Olwin Moderator @freeheeler
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                                      @freeheeler said in Firmware Rollback - Firmware with best GPS:

                                      @g287-sf
                                      I have set my watch to GPS+QZSS after playing a bit with the other systems, too. I left it as mentioned and never touched it or thought about it. Some days it’s better, some days it’s worse. But always in regards to the track itself. I think altitude shouldn’t be an issue as you’ve got the baro, right?

                                      @Brad_Olwin
                                      you’re right, the true comparison is only possible with your cyborg tests like you do with many watches on one arm 😉 👍
                                      but I think users get a general feeling if their devices are more precise, react quicker etc… it is more of an impression thing I guess.

                                      It is even worse than that! I have a wheel and a measured route to test how precise the GPS is. I always run/walk on the path the wheel was used and I have multiple wheel measurements to get a reliable distance. I have no idea what the neighbors think when they see me walking with a a wheel to measure distance:)

                                      Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                        A Former User @Brad_Olwin
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                                        @brad_olwin if you speak French you should follow “Montre Cardio GPS” on YouTube or even is blog. I run with many watch at the same time do plenty test. You should like it.

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                                          stromdiddily Gold Members @Brad_Olwin
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                                          @brad_olwin can’t be any worse than what they think watching you run with 7 different watches on 😄 😄

                                          Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                                          User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                                            freeheeler @Brad_Olwin
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                                            @brad_olwin
                                            too old for a stroller, too young for a rollator 😜

                                            living sideways

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