Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!

freeheeler

here’s another comparison of S9B vs A3PS with same settings. This time the chest strap was connected to A3PS and OHR was used with S9B to check for differences between the two types of HR measuring.
At home I’ve changed manually by purpose the altitude to the wrong value of around 650m in both watches to check what they do with FusedAlti.
S9B got a start alti of 481m, A3PS has 472m. The total ascent of S9B was 146m and A3PS 159m.
Swiss Topo Map shows at my start point 472m.
The alti profile of both recordings look similar, and the offset from start is constant throughout the activities. I don’t know why S9B shows a more nervous graph but still has less meters total ascent. Does it measure the alti more often?! A3PS looks much “smoother”.
Distance S9B: 7.74km, A3PS: 7.79m.
Between km 3 and 4 I purposely went once around a big tree… S9B did not recognize this circle, A3PS did.

The HR graph in my opinion is differing, too. But for me it’s good enough. In general I will use the strap anyway, because of less battery consumption and better measuring precision. I noticed that S9B was often a bit higher and took longer time to show lower HR values when the trail changed from up to downhill.

It’s interesting to see these differences… BUT I must say that I would believe both.
The start altitude of A3PS nailed it… could be coincidence or pure precision

https://quantified-self.io/user/jBm0qOhihUMykVYD8HBJMshQrJc2/event/A60PtzTC8ofZ20ZyQpqZ

Fenr1r

@TELE-HO The tree was a nice touch. Interesting.

@TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

I don’t know why S9B shows a more nervous graph but still has less meters total ascent

Thanks! That is a good comparison!

One reason why S9B may have a more nervous graph is that it logs elevation every 1 second vs 10 seconds for A3P. But that still doesn’t help with more accurate total ascent.

freeheeler

@silentvoyager said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

very 1 second vs 10 seconds

I suspected this but I’ve had something in memory that it is not adjustable anymore because 10sec would make more sense… but I obviously recall this wrong…

cosme.costa

After one week with the S9 baro, and comparing it to the SSU:

Pros:

Battery life/Battery modes
OHR (for who uses it)
Better tracks
Firstbeat stuff (for who uses it)
Nicer (personal opinion)
Buttons (I feel them more robust)

Cons:

GPS lock is extremely slow comparing to the SSU, even with the AGPS updated. I mean, with the SSU and an updated AGPS the lock is done in less than 10 seconds, with the S9 I have needed 30 seconds, and today more than 5 minutes with the AGPS up to date. All this, checking in the same spot. I need more activities to see if its the normal behavior.

isazi

@cosmecosta doesn’t seem normal, mine gets the green GPS light in seconds, unless I’m moving to a complete different location.

sartoric

@cosmecosta
Afair the GPS lock is slower the firs times

cosme.costa

@isazi and @sartoric Well, maybe is something punctual, today when I finished my run I tried again run and got the green arrow within the normal time (as I use to have with the SSU). As I said, I need more activities to have it more clear, but my feeling, after one week, is that it is slower.

I’m not worried, at least yet.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

after each reboot or FW update the GPS will take more time to lock.

Indeed it can up to 3mins imo but all the rest is less 10s

BKtoo

I love my Suunto 9 baro. Have owned both T6, Ambit and Ambit 3 peak. But after a few days of use and some clarifying questions here on the forum, the Suunto 9 baro and the new Suunto app have set a new standard.
The only thing I now want is an overview of time spent in different HR zones for the week, month and year, in the app

Saketo Nemo

nice to read positive feedback from old users, like me. Even for me suunto 9 and suunto app are a great match and can only improve. We look forward to the update with the MC style views and the one where we’ll be able to manage waypoints and POIs

freeheeler

@Saketo-Nemo
yes, S9B is almost perfect, while SA has a bit more room for improvement, but for me QS compensates the lack of SA (and SA web end).

Most of you might have seen that I’ve started a summary list of further FW improvements for S9B… here’s the link, just in case you’re interested or want to add something

https://forum.suunto.com/topic/3473/future-s9-firmware-wishlist-summary

BKtoo

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azeanic

The first time after the FW update, it took a long time. But subsequently, I find the GPS locks much quicker than pre-FW update.

Saketo Nemo

@azeanic
the same for me and, I think, the same for all. fw update note says it

Brad_Olwin

@cosmecosta Something wrong there, mine locks faster than my A3P used to, within 1 to 3 sec.

cosme.costa

Thanks to all. I did some test this afternoon and the GPS lock was within 10 or less seconds. I guess I had something wrong with the previous AGPS, and after today’s run it was fixed.

Again, thanks to all!!

freeheeler

@Brad_Olwin
I think your watch is used to being connected rather than disconnected
I did not count seconds with my watch but it is pretty fast.

freeheeler

here’s another comparison…
I personally think FusedAlti has improved. I haven’t adjusted either watch before the run. Both watches for best comparison in performance mode, GPS only.
I’ve lost satellite connection on S9B sometimes between km 3 and 4.
The pace on S9B sometimes was way off reality as I see in the graph.
The total ascent on S9B is more than on A3PS, I did not expect this as it was once closer. But there are so many things effecting this…

What disappoints me is the route planner of SA. The precision of total ascent was to the meter in the last test I did. This time it’s significantly off.

https://quantified-self.io/user/jBm0qOhihUMykVYD8HBJMshQrJc2/event/nP1QcfFBG1dMSjv0WwTn

Rob33

New user of the 9 baro (I come from SSU).
adjustment gps performance, output enduranceavec constant pace
First impressions:
-trace gps OK but not extraordinary. better with gps + galileo?
-distance OK
-altitude: calibration done before leaving (10 min) but erratic altitude, 55 m instead of 44
-FC HR: disappointment! (I’m used to the cardio polar belt) start indications 100% FCM, rhythm ebdurance: large variations sudden enough +/- 10 pulsations
I read that it was necessary to put the watch high enough on the handle but it tends to slip. Also that the pils could pose problems. What are you doing? and do you have solutions / habits to improve use?