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      Murphy59
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      Hi
      When I do a workout created in Training Peaks by my coach I cannot see the number of the interval - i.e I can only see that I need to do a 2min effort at 7-8 RPE.

      It would be good to see which interval it was i.e 2 of 6.

      is it possible to turn this feature on?

      Thanks!

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        Egika Platinum Member @Murphy59
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        @Murphy59 as the intervals created in the Suunto app have this information, I guess, that Training Peaks need to change their guide screens…

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          stromdiddily Gold Members @Egika
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          @Egika mmm seems a bit of a cop-out answer. My enduro shows not only the interval number but also what’s coming up next based on the same training peaks data

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            tuxbuster @stromdiddily
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            @stromdiddily I love my Vertical 2. But when it comes to heavy interval workouts via TrainingPeaks, it completely ruins the experience. If I’m grinding through 10–15 intervals, I want to know exactly which one I’m currently on. I’ve brought this up in the forum several times before. The poor TrainingPeaks implementation—along with the missing native transfer of resting HR, HRV, and sleep metrics—is the primary reason why I can’t commit to Suunto 100% and find myself training with my laggy Fenix 8 instead. If Suunto finally fixes this, I’m all in. But as of right now, no way.

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              stromdiddily Gold Members @tuxbuster
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              @tuxbuster yup, I’m totally with you. Some really small items left over for Suunto to get this absolutely perfect…but not there yet

              Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

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                Stavrogin @Egika
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                @Egika I agree. Unfortunately (and Suunto has gained ground, but) Suunto is not there in terms of structured training on the watch. Garmin and Coros do a better job of letting you know where you are in intervals and other types of workouts that have ever changing parts.

                The best workouts on my Suunto are the ones where I go out and run. Maybe an alert based on HR or something like that, but structure seems to make the experience less than complete.

                Again Suunto has made a lot of great changes in the last couple years, but for imported intervals not so much.

                Suunto Vertical, Race, Race 2, Race S and Run. Rocking the Vertical 2 Titanium at the moment.
                Garmin: Fenix 7X, Epix Pro 51mm, Forerunner 265.
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                  Stavrogin @tuxbuster
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                  @tuxbuster I think that is another good point. I cannot wait for the day for wellness metrics to be able to be transferred to TP.

                  Suunto Vertical, Race, Race 2, Race S and Run. Rocking the Vertical 2 Titanium at the moment.
                  Garmin: Fenix 7X, Epix Pro 51mm, Forerunner 265.
                  Coros: Pace Pro, Apex 4

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                    2b2bff Silver Members
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                    The Guide provided workouts are completely in the hands of the folks that create the Guides. In this case Training Peaks. So those are to blame to not include an interval counter somewhere…

                    Race S

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                      tuxbuster @2b2bff
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                      @2b2bff This has been discussed here multiple times already, and you might be right. But it feels like TrainingPeaks doesn’t really care about what we submit as end users. It’s clearly not a priority for them. Maybe the Suunto community is just too small for them?! I honestly think it would be much quicker if Suunto pushed this directly with TrainingPeaks. I can’t imagine these two companies aren’t in communication.

                      In the meantime, feel free to upvote it on TP:

                      https://peaksware.uservoice.com/forums/106657-trainingpeaks-customer-feedback/suggestions/46005451-interval-counter-on-suunto-s-structured-workouts

                      https://peaksware.uservoice.com/forums/106657-trainingpeaks-customer-feedback/suggestions/50832266-health-data-from-suunto-devices

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                        stromdiddily Gold Members @2b2bff
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                        @2b2bff how can it be then that there is different behavior between two watches syncing the same planned workout from the same platform?

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                          Gunnar Bronze Member @stromdiddily
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                          @stromdiddily the guides are offered from the third Party, in this case TP. As @egika writes, TP has to provide the proper guides.

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                            2b2bff Silver Members @stromdiddily
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                            @stromdiddily said:

                            @2b2bff how can it be then that there is different behavior between two watches syncing the same planned workout from the same platform?

                            Is this really the case? What watches? What different behaviour?

                            Race S

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                              stromdiddily Gold Members @2b2bff
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                              @2b2bff said:

                              @stromdiddily said:

                              @2b2bff how can it be then that there is different behavior between two watches syncing the same planned workout from the same platform?

                              Is this really the case? What watches? What different behaviour?

                              my enduro 3 has an entire screen dedicated to “up next” which will show the interval number you’re on, how much is left and what is planned next…all from the same planned training peaks workout that folks here are claiming is not a suunto problem

                              Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                              User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV2 :)

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                                sky-runner Platinum Member @stromdiddily
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                                @stromdiddily I think the main difference is that on Garmin structured intervals is likely a native feature that 3rd party platforms can plug into directly while in the case of Suunto 3rd party platforms have to go through Suunto+ Guides API where they become responsible for how the data is represented on the watch. Essentially it is Training Peaks that translates their structured workouts into guides and pushes guides to Suunto, and then Suunto is not really in control of how these guides are presented to users.

                                In the last month I have been using Training Peaks extensively with Suunto, including following structured workouts every day. I agree with many issues mentioned in this thread. Also, I looked at Suunto+ Guides API and find it somewhat limiting for what can be done with it. It does support a small number of predefined layouts and predefined performance fields or performance targets, but the lap number is not one of them from what I can see. There is a small text field at the top - perhaps that could be used to show the step number, but that field doesn’t seem to have a lot of space in the layout. I may be wrong, but perhaps before Training Peaks can update the guide generation to include the step number, Suunto has to make the API a bit more flexible.

                                Suunto: Ambit, Ambit 3 Peak, 9 Baro, Race S, Race Ti, Vertical 2 Ti
                                Garmin: Forerunner 210, Forerunner 610, Fenix 6X, Fenix 7X Ti

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                                  2b2bff Silver Members @stromdiddily
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                                  @stromdiddily said:

                                  my enduro 3 has an entire screen dedicated to “up next” which will show the interval number you’re on, how much is left and what is planned next…all from the same planned training peaks workout that folks here are claiming is not a suunto problem

                                  So, now we are not talking about different watches, but different watch makes. This is like pulling the same GPX into different map apps and asking why there is a different UX among those.

                                  Garmin just has a different approach to it. With Garmin all workouts look the same, no matter what platform created the workout. With Suunto and SuuntoPlus Guides there is way more flexibility what can be done. And with great power comes great responsibility, so they say… 😉

                                  Race S

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                                    stromdiddily Gold Members @2b2bff
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                                    @2b2bff I was only responding to the post that this was a training peaks “issue”. @sky-runner is likely right about the way that the different brands handle the planned workouts.

                                    Forcing training peaks into a suunto created framework when there was already an established method and then calling it a training peaks problem, is a bit disingenuous

                                    Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                                    User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV2 :)

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                                      2b2bff Silver Members @stromdiddily
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                                      @stromdiddily there is no universal “This is a workout file, deal with it watch” format. If you are pushing a workout to Garmin, you define the steps. If you push the workout to Suunto, you define a SuuntoPlus Guide. I don’t know how Coros or Apple Watch does handle it.
                                      So, Training Peaks - or any other platform for that matter - has to include the respective framework for each brand individually…

                                      The other way around, if you read the finished activity from the watch, there is a format that has been widely adopted: Garmin FIT files.

                                      Race S

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                                        stromdiddily Gold Members @2b2bff
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                                        @2b2bff said:

                                        @stromdiddily there is no universal “This is a workout file, deal with it watch” format. If you are pushing a workout to Garmin, you define the steps. If you push the workout to Suunto, you define a SuuntoPlus Guide. I don’t know how Coros or Apple Watch does handle it.
                                        So, Training Peaks - or any other platform for that matter - has to include the respective framework for each brand individually…

                                        The other way around, if you read the finished activity from the watch, there is a format that has been widely adopted: Garmin FIT files.

                                        I see, this makes sense…thank you

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