A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...

Mister PYC

Hello,
I’m a SUUNTO addict since now more than 10 years so one may object I’m not fair as I never tried a GARMIN

Effectivelly since now more than 10 years a I wear a Suunto watch, At beginning a 9 BARO, then ~ 3 years ago I shifted to a RACE and then recently I replaced it by a VERTICAL 2

OK I’m not fair !!! BUT ven so … I would say …

THANKS A LOT and CONGRATULATION SUUNTO Folks !!!

You rock !!!

Your WATCH VERTICAL 2 or RACE 2 are really AWESOME and at really few millimeter from the pure and total perfection … really just few millimeter … and really from perfection

Effectivelly, you succeed to combine in your graphical user interface and the way the buttons are managed an ease to use and a very flexible design. it is simple and powerful at the same time.
Almost yu have everything, I can setup POI when I’m somewhere, this is fundamental and POLAR GritX2 does not have this !!! incredible

You have a design where I cannot change all like in GARMIN but in reverse all is already very well designed straight from the beginning so I do not have many things I want to change, what you deliver is already excellent

So

THANKS A LOT !!!

You will telle me … few millimeters from perfection for you ?
So what are theses few millimeters missing ?

Really small indeed and I’m sure one day you will considere them you will realize that it is few millimeters for you versus what you already achieved

Let’s look at them

1. A sport mode with a single figure but really giant … I will do a post for that
1. well well well ALTITUDE graph should be green like the grass of the land it measures , whereas PRESSION graph should be blue like the atmosphere is … honestly it’s peanuts but showing atmosphere pressure in gray like pollution I hope you will admit it is not beautiful. moreover your green and your blue are really beautiful, so why not to see them both here.
1. Having a night mode with 3 information and displayed in RED (muche better for the eyes to adapt fast and not disturbing others). what are these 3 informations : Current time, next alarml, % battery … why this ? because the 3 questions you ask yourself when you wake up are - what time is it ? , Is my alarm correctly set to wake me up early tomorrow to start my climbing journey ? Do I have enough battery to be sure that my alarm will ring ?
1. when you display the percentage of battery in a sport field, do not display the .0 but instead the %. 2 reasons for that : 43.0 or 43 means the same, so the .0 does not bring any added value, instead showing the % immediatelly remembers you that you are looking to a percentage so the percentage of … battery. it is a nanometer improvement but still one
1. Add the measures = DELTA ALTITUDE BETWEEN where you are AND the next POI / end of itinary. this is missing, you have this measure : “ascencion jusqu au point de passage” (in french) but it remains always not computer when you set a POI. When we are in mountain and we set a POI, there are 4 informations which we want to know : How much time to arrive to it ?, When we will arrive to it ? At which distance it is ?, The first are already offered by you but also and especially when we are in moutain, which vertical distance we still have to climb ?
  This is super important when you have a group with you and you can then tell this to them of they are tired. For sur when we know the itinary we even do not need a watch to say this, but showing it to the team make them relax
1. can we have one more screen in the sport mode ? why ? My settings are the following : SCREEN 1 = What is already achieved (so duration, time, distance, delta altitude versus the start) SCREEN 2 = what is still to accomplish either only the ETE; ETA and duration to POI or both ETE, ETA and duration to POI or End of itinary – I have 2 sport modes here) . but what is missing is a SCREEN 3 = some biological or watch information, my heart frequency, the temperature, the percentage of battery … so the 3 screens are very logical like this
1. It seems stupid but … when I give a name to a sport mode, why are you continuing to display your name and then below mine … at the moment I decide to rename your sport mode, I would have prefered that you display only mine but with bigger fonts so it will be easier for me who is impaired to see it and recognize it

So … may be you should have a special option in your setting = FONTS : normal, medium, big. Normal being all yoru current setting and big is really bigger for peple who are visually impaired … you will see when you will arrive to my age 57 you will understand

PS : I was a little bit concerned when I shfted from my RACE to a VERTICAL 2, I decided to go here because I’m mainly a mountainer and doing some alpine winter and summer races, so I was interrested by the bigger batter, the bigger buttons to use with gloves and also the red light for when you are in refuge to not wake up everybody
I do nto regret my choice, despite there is not the roller, the way you managed the 3 buttons is perfect.

PS : I’m an IT engineer orking since now 1993 and expert in GUI modern developments , so I hope my thanks and congratulations has some value for you

Mister PYC

sky-runner

@Mister-PYC

#5 is already possible with the Climb Guidance screen if there a route and a waypoint on the route. It will display the following information on the climb guidance screen - the remaining ascent to the waypoint, the remaining descent, and the remaining distance.

Example:

Also, the field at the bottom is customizable and can rotate up to 4 different fields. So this Climb Guidance screen has quickly become one of my most used data screens.

#6 - 3 data screens are already possible in custom sport modes.

Mister PYC

@sky-runner said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

#5 is already possible with the Climb Guidance screen if there a route and a waypoint on the route. It will display the following information on the climb guidance screen - the remaining ascent to the waypoint, the remaining descent, and the remaining distance.

Oh Oh !!! super happy to know that I could have 3 screens in OTHER SPORT mode , I will test this ASAP.

For vertical distance to POI, the issue is preciselly when you do not have an itineray, but juste a POI, in this case there is no measure available

Mister PYC

@sky-runner Hello again I juste tested the Ohter sport mode, effectivelly you can have 3 screens …
BUT BUT BUT …
you do not have all the measures available … for example here is no more available in this mode the delta altitude since your departure point.
so you cannot set the SCREEN 1 to represent all what you have already accomplished eiter in “~ horizontal” distance or vertical one … this is important when you are guiding a group to tell them, look at the watch we already climbed 850 meters so there are still juste 400 to climb to our current target (which will be given by the second screen).

Knowing very well when I guide a group I do not even need a watch as I know my itinery by heart, but the advantage of a watch is that it is undisputable, and you can show it to the group especially the people who start to be tired … and they will trust more the watch than you

sky-runner

@Mister-PYC Not the Other sport mode. In the Suunto app you can create a completely custom sport mode with the exact configuration of data screens and data fields that you want.

For example I have a custom sport mode derived from Trail Run.

zhangschmidt

Also, the field at the bottom is customizable and can rotate up to 4 different fields. So this Climb Guidance screen has quickly become one of my most used data screens.

I feel very stupid, but: How do you change the data in that field? I haven’t had time to play around much, and haven’t found the way to do that…

sky-runner

@zhangschmidt said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

How do you change the data in that field?

It isn’t very intuitive. You have to tap it with touch.

And to make it even less intuitive, when a new custom sport mode is created, touch is disabled by default. “Map only” touch mode would be far more appropriate default.

I find it time and time again that field testing isn’t adequate and doesn’t find some pretty obvious issues. Or perhaps field testing finds the issues but then the dev team ignores them and releases anyway.

zhangschmidt

@sky-runner said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

@zhangschmidt said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

How do you change the data in that field?

It isn’t very intuitive. You have to tap it with touch.

And to make it even less intuitive, when a new custom sport mode is created, touch is disabled by default. “Map only” touch mode would be far more appropriate default.

I find it time and time again that field testing isn’t adequate and doesn’t find some pretty obvious issues. Or perhaps field testing finds the issues but then the dev team ignores them and releases anyway.

Hmm. I tried tapping, touch was active… and it didn’t do anything. So, I wasn’t too stupid for it, but I was - or something.

There’s a reason - well, actually, there are reasons, plural - I’m not among the fieldtesters anymore…

Mister PYC

@sky-runner to be honest … i removed them all because I was unable to find how to change the 6 ones I set at beginning

Squirrel

@zhangschmidt said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

Hmm. I tried tapping, touch was active… and it didn’t do anything.

And how many data field have you configured for the map screen?

Mister PYC

@Squirrel Hello Squirrel the question was not to me, but just to tell you, If I’m correct we can put up to 6, I tried with 6, because I was thinking it could be interresting to have a single screen with te compass and some informations that show me valuable details just staying here…
but jonestly I was unable easily to catch how to move from the first choice to the next ones … I try tapping on the screen many times nothing happened … so finally I prefered to remove even all so that I see the compass fully.
BTW also as soon as you put even a first field you never see anymore the full compass … which made me sad … it is nice when fully displayed

Steven Hambleton

@Mister-PYC said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

So … may be you should have a special option in your setting = FONTS : normal, medium, big. Normal being all yoru current setting and big is really bigger for peple who are visually impaired … you will see when you will arrive to my age 57 you will understand

I really hope they can implement some accessibility options for complications, and system messages where the bright white light bleeds into the tiny fonts to make it borderline illegible.

The menu system is perfect though, clear large fonts and good colour selections that are so easy to read!

LGoSo

@Mister-PYC said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

when you display the percentage of battery in a sport field, do not display the .0 but instead the %. 2 reasons for that : 43.0 or 43 means the same, so the .0 does not bring any added value, instead showing the % immediatelly remembers you that you are looking to a percentage so the percentage of … battery. it is a nanometer improvement but still one

Digits after the decimal point have a meaning. 43 and 43.0 are not the same or better should not be the same:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures

Perhaps in this case it means nothing if all the numbers are always ending by “.0” but if it is not the case 43.0 and 43 do/should not mean the same.
I don’t have a recent SUUNTO and, in my old SUUNTO 5, the battery percentage is not available as a field. So I can’t check.

kriskus

@LGoSo I also raised it a while ago in some other thread. This value always changes by 1.0, so the ending is always .0 which doesn’t bring any value and only decreases readibility.

Mister PYC

@LGoSo hummm
What is the difference between 43 and 43.0 ?
Sorry but for me it is strictly the same
A zero after a decimal point is like nothing
It’s the same as a zero in first position before a figure …
Here its a little bit differwnt … sometimds we use this trick and we put it only when we use non proportional font to show that figures can go to one more digit

But honestly their is an added value of the % after 43 but not clear which information the .0 gives you… moreover 43.x % of or 43 % Noone will see The difference

Mister PYC

@kriskus yeap moreover in reverse using this space for showing the % give a value … if you forgot what you put here the percentage sign will immediately guide you …

Squirrel

@LGoSo said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

Digits after the decimal point have a meaning. 43 and 43.0 are not the same or better should not be the same:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures

Not it this case. Battery meter resolution is 1%, with zero decimal places. So displaying this value with one, two, or whatever decimal places is complete waste of space and visual clutter.

LGoSo

@Mister-PYC I agree with you. In this case who really cares about the values after the dot. But saying that 43 and 43.0 means the same is not correct from a metrological point of view when the figures are correctly estimated. Just pointing that (and nitpicking a little bit…).

2b2bff

@Mister-PYC said in A BIG BIG BIG THANKS and APLAUSE to SUUNTO Team both watch and IT designer ...:

A zero after a decimal point is like nothing
It’s the same as a zero in first position before a figure

It is not the same. The Zero in the first position is superfluous, you are correct. But the 0 after the decimal point changes precision. It is the same difference as 5kg and 5000g. The first is precise to the kg, the latter precise to the g.
5001g or 5010g or 4995g all is 5kg.

Mister PYC

@2b2bff well well well … if you tell to someone who is doing a diet that he lost 5000 g and to his wife that she lost 5 kg … you are right … this is not the same … the wife will be super happy but the man wearing a suunto and for who 43 and 43.0 make a difference will start to question himself about the precision of instrument … how it could have been possible that he arrives preciselly to exact 5000
Joking !!!