[DONE] Selling S9 bought Garmin Fenix 5x

Armin S.

@SlaSh … Garmin APP - I think it’s creepy

sartoric

@surfexit109
Farewell, have fun.

peringmar

@moe67er What made you switch to suunto? What are the flaws on the fenix?

Brad_Olwin

I understand your frustration. I think in another six months the Suunto app will be where you might be happier. It did take time for Garmin to develop connect. For me, the hardware is the most important. These are complicated devices and I think you will find pluses and minuses for both.

sartoric

Unfortunately this is the trend of the last years.
As Freddie said … I want it all, and I want it now

I understand the frustration but

I don’t see TODAY so many issues as (maybe) in the past years
You shouldn’t buy a watch for its app
You should know what you’re buying, considering the cost, but if you have no money issues please, don’t complaint just buy a new one
You should rtfm

I’m happy with my S Baro, the app it’s not yet the best so I’m still using MC web and that’s perfectly fine to me

SlaSh

@sartoric I disagree on app part, it is very important how hardware is connected with software now. As I said I have checked Garmin connect app after more than one year of not using it and it evolved significantly and I like it how it looks and works, which the same for suunto app.

sartoric

@SlaSh
Sure.
In fact I’m not saying that the app is not important at all, what I mean is that you shouldn’t buy the watch for the app itself.
Maybe choose the watch that fits your needs and consider the App as an important part but not as the main feature.

Regarding watch issue, if we are talking about software bug … honestly, do you (you people, not you Slash ) know any recent device 100% bug proof ?

SlaSh

@sartoric well Apple Watch 4 is very reliable in terms of data collecting after using it over 3 weeks.

I used a FR235 (ConnectIQ), FitBit Blaze (Fitbit), Frontier S3 (SHealth), Stratos (MiFit/Amaze) and now S9 (SApp/MC).

The best app was CIQ, seconded by Fitbit, also with the access to the Web anywhere (you can’t do that with other smartwatch platforms).

The best hardware is the S9, the features offered can be easily improved with FW and programming.
There are plenty of flaws in SApp that will be fixed in the near future and I hope that Suunto listen the comments/pledges of the users.

Suunto is an amazing watch but the user interface, customization, apps and FW must improve drastically if they want to be #1, which I believe they will become IF and ONLY IF they listen to the market …

Thanks

@peringmar the cracking oHR sensor is very bad for that price. And the display presentation of Suunto is much smoother beside native support for running power.

SlaSh

@moe67er hell yes, my F3hr got replaced cause of composite used for ohr sensor crack, but replacement part had as well minor crack after 3 months of usage and I sold it, cannot comment on as owned it less than a month cause of sensors connectivity issues.

suzzlo

Hi,

I’m not buying a watch, I’m buying training tools: Watch + App + Web

I need something that help me training harder, smarter and healthier, and actually, none of them (Suunto, Polar, Garmin) are good enough:

Suunto: best accuracy but lack of basic features
Polar: in the middle of those 2. Not the most big list of features and not the most accurate watch
Garmin: good platform with too much features but poor accuracy

you always have to give up something… and that’s why it’s always something relative to personal preferences

I’m also thinking of buying a new watch for triathlon, but… which would I buy? FR935? never tested a Garmin but you all guys says that has bad accuracy. Vantage V? very immature (like Suunto platform now)

BR

ColdBeer

@suzzlo said in [DONE] Selling S9 bought Garmin Fenix 5x:

Hi,

I’m not buying a watch, I’m buying training tools: Watch + App + Web
Totally agree, this is the point of every conversation talking about sportwatches. And, definitely, if you are a manufacturer/producer, you don’t need to hear every user (buyers/athletes with few weeks of experience, for example), and if you are interested on extending your market, you must hear a little further than your traditional expertise users.
So finally, you must develop an stable, trustworthy, expandable and non device dependant platform for athletes, where an expertise could be comfortable, and where a nerd could say WOW!

I need something that help me training harder, smarter and healthier, and actually, none of them (Suunto, Polar, Garmin) are good enough:

Suunto: best accuracy but lack of basic features

And immersed in a non sense (for overall users) road developing a platform based on mobile apps (against a web based platform which is their best expertise point and the easier -because it’s not device dependant- one)…

Polar: in the middle of those 2. Not the most big list of features and not the most accurate watch

Garmin: good platform with too much features but poor accuracy

But, at least into my neighborhood (friends, familiars…), it’s something just like a standard. But for sure, with a confiable and non device dependant web platform with a punch of capabilities to deeply analysis of workouts and programming them.

I’m also thinking of buying a new watch for triathlon, but… which would I buy? FR935? never tested a Garmin but you all guys says that has bad accuracy. Vantage V? very immature (like Suunto platform now)

My wife has got a FR735XT and have not so bad accuracy (at least compared with my SST). Like EVERY other one, it could have a bad day, but mine, for example, has always a bad day on open water. On bike and running, normally mine has got more accuracy, but I must say it has more bad days than 735.
In the other side, as far as triathlon athletes doesn’t do just triathlon competition, but they do duathlon and swim&run too (and other kind of sport cocktails)… IMHO saying that Spartans watches are triathlon watches is a limited assertion and while they have not customized multi-sport modes, the correct assertion would be something like “limited triathlon watches”.
I took a short view of a Xiaomi Amazfit Pace 2/Stratos, and it just really have a customizable multisport mode with transitions (or not, whatever you want). In the other hand, it has just a mobile app, which is far enough from an optimal sport solution.

mbergi

@sartoric I reallly can’t understand why Suunto made the decision to leave movescount behind and go that standalone-app way. I’m using Suunto watches since 1999 (Vector, T6. Ambit, Ambit3, SSU). I loved every single of them (at least to ambit3), but now i’m really worrying about the future. I think it will take Suunto years to create a new ecosystem that is able to compete with the market companions. The situation at the moment is so frustrating.
For example: as a user I want to add graphs to my custom sports modes - that means I have to quit movescount wich is the only possibility to do serious workout analysis…I don’t have any more words for that situation…
It’s nice to see a lot of people here in the forum who try to help anyway.

But I have more and more doubt about having such a long breath

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mbergi

We all help here

mbergi

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos you do an amazing job here - Suunto has to give you an award!!!

SlaSh

@mbergi paycheck is the best award

Brad_Olwin

@suzzlo @ColdBeer I buy a watch primarily for Training so I will stick my neck into the guillotine here. These are MY opinions from my experience. I have used many Suunto products and several Garmin products. The Garmin platform is no better than the Suunto App for training! Even Movescount, which is exponentially better than Garmin is still not good enough. I will give my opinion here, which I try not to do because I have strong opinions. I have been a Professional Ski Instructor for 12 years, raced road bikes in long, crits and circuit races doing well in my age group. I quit bike racing and for the last nine years I race ultramarathons from 50k to 200k. I have been self-coached until this year when I hired a coach.

The training tools on the watches and websites with the exception of one are not adequate for training! Period! Why? Because the VO2Max estimates, etc on these websites and recovery estimates are simply not good enough. The only website I have found helpful for self-coaching was Training Peaks, which gives you a wealth of training intensity data for planning, improving and recovering. There may be others out there that I am not aware of. I have also used some desk-based apps.

But neither Garmin nor Suunto nor Polar have sufficient training built into their platforms to make it useful for Training in my opinion.

So I do NOT purchase Watch+App+Web because it just doesn’t matter. What I need is a watch that is reliable and as accurate as possible to give me the information I can use on a Training Site or program that matters. I prefer Suunto for that and the S9 is targeted exactly for people like me that do stupidly long races and cannot remember to charge a watch during a race because they are too old.

My 2 cents!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@SlaSh I did this with no paycheck as well here and in other forums quite sometime. Don’t insult me.

BTW I don’t get paid for the forums, my task is different. Specifically I am digital market specialist and part of my job is the inbox for example in the Suunto app.

My paycheck for this position comes since Sept way after the forums etc was formed. Way after 2016

ColdBeer

@Brad_Olwin I don’t fully agree (but partially) about Movescount vs Garmin Connect platforms. Maybe… were you comparing apps? I don’t need/like/want mobile apps (just need it to sync). I need a good analysis platform, and I prefer to do that job on a big screen and even better, a multi-device platform (like web) to could do the job on a tablet, or a desktop computer. I work with both web platforms and I must say that -with differences- both are “good enough”. Probably not perfect (or professional), but enough. I know TrainingPeaks (did you test with http://sporttracks.mobi ?) is better for hard analysis but Hey! probably not the objective for most athlete enthusiasts.
So your sentence “The Garmin platform is no better than the Suunto App for training!” is not true, in my honest opinion, because, simply, I can’t believe that you try to compare the fully Garmin platform (web) with a simple mobile app which has no more than 30% of the Garmin capabilities. Another thing is if you are comparing both mobile apps but, again, Suunto is still a beta where some things doesn’t work, most things doesn’t fully work (with no bugs) and is not ready for nothing more than a “preview” of a workout analysis.