SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2
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@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
Changes such as the removed complications switch tapping or horizontal widget swiping might be less irritating if they were to follow a comprehensible logic
The fact that you prefer the old UI design does not mean there is no logic to the new one. Quite simply, people preferring the old functionality are screaming the loudest. At least the vertical widget scrolling was implemented similarly in the 9Baro, similar Suunto watches, and virtually all current Garmin units. So there should be some sense to it, right?
And watch face personalization is right at its beginning … so i guess the logic there is “one step at a time” -
Suunto Race - battery drain
before last update my Race consumed from 5.5 to 7 % of battery per day (14-18 days). Ater update (1 full cycle + complete discharging and soft restart) it takes 11 % of battery per day (9 days). No changes of settings, no changes of my behavior. Any ideas?
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@Tomas-Fejfar yet another software bug, nothing special
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@Tomas-Fejfar Just to confirm, did you do a full drain, letting it the watch shut down and display the charge indicator?
https://forum.suunto.com/post/149042For me, I was seeing about 7-8% drop per day until I let it drain completely and then put on the charger to 100%. as of right now, I am sitting at 3% drop after 17 hours of use after letting the battery calibrate.
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Thank you for your friendly enlightenment, @wurzlsepp. Though, I admit that the purpose of your derogatory strategy to emotionalizing the matter is hard to follow…
Your simplification misses the point that quite some users voice valid arguments for the maintenance of features that “disappeared” with firmware upgrades and didn’t come back - well beyond “screaming”. Your discardment of those and personal preference for “the new” doesn’t invalidate the arguments.
Furthermore, with your substantial misunderstanding or -interpretation (deliberate or not) of my points re swiping as well as the design logic, you literally confirmed some of them. I was pointing towards the absence of comprehensibility, not logic per se. Sure, “other brands do it too” and the convergence of UX between SUUNTO watch model firmwares give “some sense”. It’s just not very well comprehensible. The former argument lacks any qualification at all. The latter might be convenient for the manufacturer but suggests functional restrictions for watches with more affordances than others, esp. if you’re using the more powerful models…
Me, at least, I don’t have any issue with vertical widget scrolling. However, I admit that I don’t understand SUUNTOs UI design decision re horizontal scrolling. My thoughts thereby:
a) why would the firmware of a watch with multi-directional swipe function as well as buttons for horizontal navigation allow for only two screens to be arranged left/right to each other?,
b) why would the arrangement of multiple widgets left/right to each other be restricted, after it was possible?, and
c) why would it, from a design principle perspective, be considered favorable to having to navigate more levels deep into the menu before you find a wanted functionality (scroll down, open widget) over less depth (scroll to the right to see the open widget, or left if it’s “closer” in the “cycle”)?Wrapping my answer up with my hope for you to be right, that those who used the given ones get some of the functionalities back “one step at a time”…
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Feature suggestion for next firmware: improve climb guidance screen by allowing to see current hr.
Ideas: Either make the field ‘total duration’ customizable, or just add the hr zone around the outer edge of the screen, as already existing on some other screens
Continue the good work !
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@alschmid i didn’t get the first part. If you try to say Suunto could improve their communication, sure they could. I’m with you there. But first, let’s hope they keep some business within Finland at all that can communicate
Considering a) (my opinion): because a swipe from right to left should always get you out of a menu and/or back to the watch face. With the former horizontal setup, it just brought you to some other screen, not out to the overview. Depending on where you were, you had to swipe 5 times and more. Also, the button arrangement is up and down, not left and right. Thus also the widgets would be arranged up and down
c) because information ideally is always arranged in levels with increasing depth. You get an overview, and should you want to know more about one of the specific topics, you can do so (without having to scroll through all the other detailed information!). What information is displayed in the overview (widget list) is up for discussion obviously and may be to one’s taste or not -
@Tomas-Fejfar said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
Suunto Race - battery drain
before last update my Race consumed from 5.5 to 7 % of battery per day (14-18 days). Ater update (1 full cycle + complete discharging and soft restart) it takes 11 % of battery per day (9 days). No changes of settings, no changes of my behavior. Any ideas?
Waited 24 hours after the battery recalibration (full drain/ full charge). Watch is set up 24/7 HR/SPO, notifications on and a 30 minute row (5200m) with chest heart rate strap (to check).
It is back to where it was for me: 3% daily battery usage.
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Hi,
i have SV solar and have noticed, that the battery life has has significantly decreased. Over the day watch lose 10% of the charge, when before was like 5%. And this is all on the same settings and screen as it was on software before. -
@alschmid I have some points for you, the switch to vertical scrolling is because of the addition of a “wheel” for the new watch (Race and Race S), and, in an effort the streamline the UI of its various watches that are using the same hardware plateforme (9 peak pro, vertical, race, Ocean and race S have roughly the same internals), it completely makes sense from a Software developpment POV.
@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
a) why would the firmware of a watch with multi-directional swipe function as well as buttons for horizontal navigation allow for only two screens to be arranged left/right to each other?,
I would venture and say that having both “full vertical” and “full horizontal” list would be too much of a memory burden
@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
c) why would it, from a design principle perspective, be considered favorable to having to navigate more levels deep into the menu before you find a wanted functionality (scroll down, open widget) over less depth (scroll to the right to see the open widget, or left if it’s “closer” in the “cycle”)?
Vertical scrolling allowed a big improvment in smoothness due to, if i recall correctly, the way the screen is controlled, that way scrolling among widgets is faster than scrolling among screens (i’m not sure if you remember how laggy it was before), and honestly, i think its still faster even if the widget you want is at the bottom
Then about your overall sentiment,I understand you, but you can’t have cake, eat it and sell the flour, there is limit to what these littles computers can do, and for me it looks like Suunto tries as much as possible to not remove functions, and there is also the big problem of keeping the watch interface user friendly, that means you have to make choices
@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
Sure, “other brands do it too”
This is HUGE do not dismiss that, in UX, the law is basically, “do as the others” that way all the next users coming from other watch will be much less frustrated if they don’t have to completely change how to interact with it, this is very, very important in UX design.
Other than that, yes, i would love too to have all the options, all the buttons, all the possibility, but its a nightmare to maintain, its the perfect recipe for bugs, it might not even fit on the watch memory.
And most users are too dumb to make advantage of it, this is also very important, for example, mentionned in the podcast a few months ago, something like 90% of the users will never do a custom workout screen layout, but the option to do it is present, and is gigantic to program, Suunto can’t afford to waste ressources on thing that will be used by even less people. -
@The_77 the same for me
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I may been searching in the wrong places, but where can I turn off GLONASS? Just want to use GPS + Galileo.
Can’t find it and don’t know if it has something with the new update to do -
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos in case you actively use the watch for training it is not good idea to wait full watch discharge. You will need to skip training, or you risking to have watch discharged during training session and loose training data.
Moreover, discharging to 0 I believe not a good thing for Li-ion (which doesn’t have memory effect btw).
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@Richard-Thygesen same thing on my S9PP!
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@Александр-Даниленко You dont have to! just use it normally.
I am not sure why all this fuzz.
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Discharging to zero isn’t about memory effect, its for battery managment calibration, modern battery system use “fuel gauge” method to estimate remaining capacity, so, they don’t necessarly look at voltage, because lithium voltage is very stable for most of the discharge cycle, so hard to estimate remaining capacity:
instead they look at the capacity in/capacity out, , but this method allows drift (you look at rate of charge and discharge, coulomb counting), so discharging /charging fully (or almost fully) allows to reset the gauge to its “true 0”.
And, moreover, if the gauge value is reset during a firmware update, which would make sense, the battery is estimated using voltage thus not as precise until the gauge is reset.
If you are interested in it, there is this paper from Texas Instrument for a Battery managment system for wearables (not the one for our watches, but the system is most probably very similar :
https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidub09/tidub09.pdf?ts=1721210050652&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F -
@Elipsus exactly
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Moreover it’s just a “do it once” not a “do it always”
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It’s not black magic
Or is it magic? A few days ago, a guy rolled back to a previous firmware and instantly got normal battery life. How can such cases be explained?
Moreover it’s just a “do it once” not a “do it always”
I think it’s more like “do it every time after an update.” This is based on my observations of the number of complaints about battery life after each update here. Moreover, it didn’t help in my case, and I still have around 2/3 of the battery life I used to have before one of the previous updates. By the way, I was using my watch for around 10 months without any “calibration stuff” with fantastic battery efficiency. Then I got 2.30.32, and boom, out of nowhere – battery drainage. It hasn’t been fixed for 8 months now.
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@false
My very personal opinion about FW downgrade. It is not just a FW update at inverse. It is (not experienced with new Ota FWs, but quite a lot with old zips) a very deep hard reset and a full FW installation, like full wipe and clean install).
Thus, my theory about “downgrading has solved issue, thus new FW is faulty” is that, if its the case, maybe the new firmware in itself is not the root issue, but maybe the update process or restoring settings, or… which may cause issues to some and not others.
Shortly, I don’t know really
, but, for those who downgraded and feel better with old FW, it could be worth trying (assuming you are willing to test) : downgrade, do not set up too much things, and just re-update and see.
Hey, it is just one of my theories.
I have not issue, so nothing to validate on my own side, I would have tested myself.
