SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2
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Hi,
i have SV solar and have noticed, that the battery life has has significantly decreased. Over the day watch lose 10% of the charge, when before was like 5%. And this is all on the same settings and screen as it was on software before. -
@alschmid I have some points for you, the switch to vertical scrolling is because of the addition of a “wheel” for the new watch (Race and Race S), and, in an effort the streamline the UI of its various watches that are using the same hardware plateforme (9 peak pro, vertical, race, Ocean and race S have roughly the same internals), it completely makes sense from a Software developpment POV.
@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
a) why would the firmware of a watch with multi-directional swipe function as well as buttons for horizontal navigation allow for only two screens to be arranged left/right to each other?,
I would venture and say that having both “full vertical” and “full horizontal” list would be too much of a memory burden
@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
c) why would it, from a design principle perspective, be considered favorable to having to navigate more levels deep into the menu before you find a wanted functionality (scroll down, open widget) over less depth (scroll to the right to see the open widget, or left if it’s “closer” in the “cycle”)?
Vertical scrolling allowed a big improvment in smoothness due to, if i recall correctly, the way the screen is controlled, that way scrolling among widgets is faster than scrolling among screens (i’m not sure if you remember how laggy it was before), and honestly, i think its still faster even if the widget you want is at the bottom
Then about your overall sentiment,I understand you, but you can’t have cake, eat it and sell the flour, there is limit to what these littles computers can do, and for me it looks like Suunto tries as much as possible to not remove functions, and there is also the big problem of keeping the watch interface user friendly, that means you have to make choices
@alschmid said in SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.35.34 Q2:
Sure, “other brands do it too”
This is HUGE do not dismiss that, in UX, the law is basically, “do as the others” that way all the next users coming from other watch will be much less frustrated if they don’t have to completely change how to interact with it, this is very, very important in UX design.
Other than that, yes, i would love too to have all the options, all the buttons, all the possibility, but its a nightmare to maintain, its the perfect recipe for bugs, it might not even fit on the watch memory.
And most users are too dumb to make advantage of it, this is also very important, for example, mentionned in the podcast a few months ago, something like 90% of the users will never do a custom workout screen layout, but the option to do it is present, and is gigantic to program, Suunto can’t afford to waste ressources on thing that will be used by even less people. -
@The_77 the same for me
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I may been searching in the wrong places, but where can I turn off GLONASS? Just want to use GPS + Galileo.
Can’t find it and don’t know if it has something with the new update to do -
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos in case you actively use the watch for training it is not good idea to wait full watch discharge. You will need to skip training, or you risking to have watch discharged during training session and loose training data.
Moreover, discharging to 0 I believe not a good thing for Li-ion (which doesn’t have memory effect btw).
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@Richard-Thygesen same thing on my S9PP!
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@Александр-Даниленко You dont have to! just use it normally.
I am not sure why all this fuzz.
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Discharging to zero isn’t about memory effect, its for battery managment calibration, modern battery system use “fuel gauge” method to estimate remaining capacity, so, they don’t necessarly look at voltage, because lithium voltage is very stable for most of the discharge cycle, so hard to estimate remaining capacity:
instead they look at the capacity in/capacity out, , but this method allows drift (you look at rate of charge and discharge, coulomb counting), so discharging /charging fully (or almost fully) allows to reset the gauge to its “true 0”.
And, moreover, if the gauge value is reset during a firmware update, which would make sense, the battery is estimated using voltage thus not as precise until the gauge is reset.
If you are interested in it, there is this paper from Texas Instrument for a Battery managment system for wearables (not the one for our watches, but the system is most probably very similar :
https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidub09/tidub09.pdf?ts=1721210050652&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F -
@Elipsus exactly
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Moreover it’s just a “do it once” not a “do it always”
Charge estimation it’s not black magic
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It’s not black magic
Or is it magic? A few days ago, a guy rolled back to a previous firmware and instantly got normal battery life. How can such cases be explained?
Moreover it’s just a “do it once” not a “do it always”
I think it’s more like “do it every time after an update.” This is based on my observations of the number of complaints about battery life after each update here. Moreover, it didn’t help in my case, and I still have around 2/3 of the battery life I used to have before one of the previous updates. By the way, I was using my watch for around 10 months without any “calibration stuff” with fantastic battery efficiency. Then I got 2.30.32, and boom, out of nowhere – battery drainage. It hasn’t been fixed for 8 months now.
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@false
My very personal opinion about FW downgrade. It is not just a FW update at inverse. It is (not experienced with new Ota FWs, but quite a lot with old zips) a very deep hard reset and a full FW installation, like full wipe and clean install).
Thus, my theory about “downgrading has solved issue, thus new FW is faulty” is that, if its the case, maybe the new firmware in itself is not the root issue, but maybe the update process or restoring settings, or… which may cause issues to some and not others.
Shortly, I don’t know really
, but, for those who downgraded and feel better with old FW, it could be worth trying (assuming you are willing to test) : downgrade, do not set up too much things, and just re-update and see.
Hey, it is just one of my theories.
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@Mff73 a FW change does not wipe all settings. Some are reset like the autopause, but everything else is kept.
You are completely right in saying that some effects are independent of the FW and some things just seem to be.
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@false the battery drainage actually has been fixed in the latest firmware. Just do a full circle charge as discussed.
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I still have some HR Sensor issues. When leaving the watch on a table for a few hours, sometimes it stops the sensor. Putting the watch on charger re-activates it, a reboot too.
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has been fixed
Do you know if it was the first fix of that type?
Anyway, I’ve just sold my 9pp and I hope my next watch won’t have such problems. Deciding between race and 265/955
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@false yeah I know. It was related to the map / navigation screen.
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@darxmurf I had the same problem with my 9PP. I had to restart it every time. The downgrade finally helped. But maybe not a solution for everyone
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During exercise (running), only the map interface beeps when the guide message display ends. Can this beep be removed or can it be set by itself? A great feature has been added to automatically center my location on the map with settings after what time it should happen. Is there an idea to create a personal setting for the time the guide displays during the exercise?
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Nice, thanks for the info
