Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement

[isazi]

@jjpaz the opposite, Race was working with the OHR and not working with external HR sensor. But Vertical was not affected by this.

[sartoric]

@neonix
Maybe keep hard resetting the watch doesn’t help with metrics calibration afair

[A Former User]

@jjpaz said in Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement:

I suppose you have 24h HR measurement activated, don’t you?
I think there was a bug in Suunto Race, performance was only measured when using optical sensor, not bluetooth external sensor.
Perhaps this bug has been inherited by SV?

Yes, I have everyting enabled. I have also gone for several runs using the optical heart rate sensor of the watch, with the watch higher on my forerarm to get reliable HR data. Still I get no VO2Max or performance progress update.

[isazi]

@neonix let’s try to see this, can you share your HR zones and some example activities in which VO2max was not detected?

[dirkba71]

I own a Race S since 2 weeks and I have the same problem. I have more than the required outdoor runs to display content in Performance / Running Estimate but both are empty. HR zones are set. I have already tried everything suggested in this post.

[BrunoH]

Hi all,

I am also affected by this same problem. I’ve had Vertical for 1,5 years now and I’ve never seen these “insights”. My Vertical still keeps asking me to record at least one outdoor run. The software is up to date. I’ve been trying with Suunto HR belt and OHR with Vertical on my better wrist.

I was full of hope when the last SW update was supposed to make VO2max to appear “easier” but no such luck. I’d be glad to hear what are the actual minimum conditions that I should meet for this recording to succeed.

I am a 55 years old overweight male with these zones:

Resting HR 65
Z2 133 ->
Z3 142 ->
Z4 152 ->
Z5 161 ->
Max HR 185 (I’ve set this a little bit higher of what I’ve seen in real life)

Below you can find my examples. The first one is a 16 minutes run when I really pushed myself to the limit. You can see that a few times I hade to slow down for a while to catch breath. The second one is a lot longer outdoorsy exercise; I was actually trail walking, but recorded it as a run just to see if there’s any difference.

Both of these have a solid GPS tracking. On the map I can’t see any sudden spikes deviating from the route I was taking.

[Liszto]

@BrunoH I have the same problem. I have my watch since May 2024 and I never saw this section filled in the “Progress” widget.
A friend of mine have this watch since one month and no data too.

We both run more than 15min at least 3times a week…

What could we do to make it work ?

My wife with her Suunto Peak Pro has her data !

I already tried some soft reset (when I encountered the battery drain issue before the patch) but it never solved this one.

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto The HR data need to be sufficient quality to work. Are you using a belt?

[RuisBread]

Something to consider, make sure your GPS tracks are not done in a stadium or Olympic field track, these will never work due to the nature of inaccuracy with GPS measurements done with constant turns. GPS tracks with lots of turns, or routes that are confined to a small area like a park may not work for VO2 Max calculations in my experience. Try running on a route where you have lots of flat and strait bits, get some distance. Run these flat bits without stopping and you should get VO2 max calculated.

Additional things to consider:

• Sync with Suunto App before the run.
• Do not reset your device, this just wipes data, and messes things up! For example GPS assist will be wiped with every reset, you will need to sync with Suunto app after every reset to get this again. Resets should be done only if you have some sort of usage blocking issue, like the OHR leds are not firing up (Was an issue not too long ago) or display is blank/jammed.
• Allow the OHR sensor to get a fix on your pulse, before your run, let the unit be in the “Start” display for awhile, showing a constant HR result. With old Suunto 9 I used to let the unit sit in this display for 2-3 minutes, while I stretched. With Race I have not had as many issues with OHR, maybe because it’s doing the true 24/7 HR track, so it’s got my HR locked.
• Make sure the GPS fix arrow is green before starting.
• Warm up before starting the exercise, this may improve OHR results by quite a lot. Hasn’t been necessary with Suunto Race.
• Run with effort! Vo2 max runs need to reach high HR levels, the higher the better. I personally say reach HR zone 4, and try to keep it there, at least on the long strait bits. Avoid going to HR zone 5, except until the very end. If you are a beginner to running, you will just tire yourself out if you reach zone 5 too quickly, and get a worse result.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin i’m only using my suunto vertical solar nothing else. I supposed it must be enough ?
Each time my HR seems to be OK (at least I consider it like this when I see the charts)

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto I am not sure a 15 min run is long enough as you stated 15 min 3x per week. I do not know all of the specifics for race predictions but you need sufficient HR quality and some higher intensity to make that work. Fifteen minutes is just over a warm up or less, mine are 20 min prior to doing intervals.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin sorry I wasn’t clear enough hehe but my workout are more something like 1hour (at minimum) with differents intensities between warmup and real training session
After 7months I think (even if it’s something not regular) the result must be displayed ^^

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto said in Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement:

@Brad_Olwin sorry I wasn’t clear enough hehe but my workout are more something like 1hour (at minimum) with differents intensities between warmup and real training session
After 7months I think (even if it’s something not regular) the result must be displayed ^^

Something odd going on, mine has worked for ages although quite optimistic for a 68y old. The VO2M is low, my measured is 54.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin for example this is my session of the day, and I still have the message “do 1 outdoor activity” after this one.

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto one issue I see are your zones! Zone 5 for 40 min is not possible. I don’t know how you set them but they are too low. This may contribute to your issues with race prediction.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin I just update my HR zone just in case.
They were the default ones (not defined by myself) based on simple compute 200-age (if i’m right). Currently 36 years old (soon 37)

I change my max to something like 198 (sometimes the watch reached that value or more but I set this one because the accuracy of the sensor is not the best vs belt HR which is in my case often lower) and I change the percentage of each zone to match with something “more” logical.

Let’s see during my next exercice what will happen. I just hope all my previous training session will not altered the next result

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto That is not likely a good way to calculate zones. The Z4/Z5 interface should be your LT. LT should be an all out effort for 40 min. You can use the Suunto+ Cooper Test or LT test to get an idea of this zone. From looking at the HR trace I suspect somewhere near 170-175. I would base zones on a test or using ZoneSense for a week or more.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin I would use my last 10km race because it was almost a perfect 40’ but I notice my vertical get an issue on it at the end…
I already noticed this bug twice before this one sadly where the sensor seems in default and stuck to something like 210 forever

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto Personally I do not get accurate HR using the optical sensor and always use a belt. But you could try the 40 min effort. Note that you should not be able to go any longer than 40 min at your LT.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin I acquired a belt recently so I will use it on my next runs.
Fun fact : my wife (who has a VO2Max estimation with her S9PP in less than a mont) has HR zone not set up and clearly wrong (bottom zone 5 value is 160 ) 95% of each run is in Z5 haha.

Thanks again for your returns, I will try some run with my belt AND with better zone settings.