Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement

[A Former User]

I have these issues with my Suunto Vertical Ti Solar on firmware 2.33.14.
The progress performance screens doesn’t update at all.

I’ve had many runs over 5 KM. I use an external chest strap (Polar H10). I don’t use SuuntoPlus apps. And I use the “Running Basic” sports profile. My CTL, TSS and TSB are moving and changing. I have synced the watch. I have tried soft-resetting the watch. I have set the correct maximum HR and resting HR in the watch. In my running activities I have “VO2Max” tags which indicates that VO2max was increased. But I can never see any stats about it anywhere.

Also my “Resources” widget always show 100% even after poor sleep when I really have zero energy, and I always have 0:00 hours/minutes of stress every day… My Garmin Fenix 7 always detected stress levels and my body battery page was more or less always in line with how I felt. This Suunto Vertical always thinks I have tons of energy even when I don’t. And apparently I never ever experience stress (even if my job is pretty stressful and other watches detect that). Even when I feel super stressed I am just “inactive” with 0:00 amounts of stress according to the Vertical. Wishful thinking

I like mostly everything about the Vertical, except these metrics which seems to be pure guesswork and mostly garbage? And why on earth is the resources always reset to 70% and the daily heart rate data always deleted/wiped after a simple watch restart (power off/on)? That makes absolutey no sense.

Oh yeah and I did a hard-reset after upgrading to 2.33.12 before I also get that suggestion again.

[isazi]

@neonix not sure why you are not getting any VO2max values. Have you tried with some intervals or a tempo block during one of your runs? I never had this issue.

[A Former User]

@isazi said in Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement:

@neonix not sure why you are not getting any VO2max values. Have you tried with some intervals or a tempo block during one of your runs? I never had this issue.

I did another hard-reset, and this time I have not touched the custom heart rate (max and resting) settings. I guess I will know after my run later today. But I seem to remember the last time when I adjusted my max and resting HR and auto-updated the zones, that is when the metrics started to get “funky”.

[isazi]

@neonix I always manually set up my zones, in all watches, so just setting zones should not be the issue. But having very wrong zones could be, e.g. the algorithm could see all activities as too easy.

[jjpaz]

I suppose you have 24h HR measurement activated, don’t you?
I think there was a bug in Suunto Race, performance was only measured when using optical sensor, not bluetooth external sensor.
Perhaps this bug has been inherited by SV?

[isazi]

@jjpaz the opposite, Race was working with the OHR and not working with external HR sensor. But Vertical was not affected by this.

[sartoric]

@neonix
Maybe keep hard resetting the watch doesn’t help with metrics calibration afair

[A Former User]

@jjpaz said in Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement:

I suppose you have 24h HR measurement activated, don’t you?
I think there was a bug in Suunto Race, performance was only measured when using optical sensor, not bluetooth external sensor.
Perhaps this bug has been inherited by SV?

Yes, I have everyting enabled. I have also gone for several runs using the optical heart rate sensor of the watch, with the watch higher on my forerarm to get reliable HR data. Still I get no VO2Max or performance progress update.

[isazi]

@neonix let’s try to see this, can you share your HR zones and some example activities in which VO2max was not detected?

[dirkba71]

I own a Race S since 2 weeks and I have the same problem. I have more than the required outdoor runs to display content in Performance / Running Estimate but both are empty. HR zones are set. I have already tried everything suggested in this post.

[BrunoH]

Hi all,

I am also affected by this same problem. I’ve had Vertical for 1,5 years now and I’ve never seen these “insights”. My Vertical still keeps asking me to record at least one outdoor run. The software is up to date. I’ve been trying with Suunto HR belt and OHR with Vertical on my better wrist.

I was full of hope when the last SW update was supposed to make VO2max to appear “easier” but no such luck. I’d be glad to hear what are the actual minimum conditions that I should meet for this recording to succeed.

I am a 55 years old overweight male with these zones:

Resting HR 65
Z2 133 ->
Z3 142 ->
Z4 152 ->
Z5 161 ->
Max HR 185 (I’ve set this a little bit higher of what I’ve seen in real life)

Below you can find my examples. The first one is a 16 minutes run when I really pushed myself to the limit. You can see that a few times I hade to slow down for a while to catch breath. The second one is a lot longer outdoorsy exercise; I was actually trail walking, but recorded it as a run just to see if there’s any difference.

Both of these have a solid GPS tracking. On the map I can’t see any sudden spikes deviating from the route I was taking.

[Liszto]

@BrunoH I have the same problem. I have my watch since May 2024 and I never saw this section filled in the “Progress” widget.
A friend of mine have this watch since one month and no data too.

We both run more than 15min at least 3times a week…

What could we do to make it work ?

My wife with her Suunto Peak Pro has her data !

I already tried some soft reset (when I encountered the battery drain issue before the patch) but it never solved this one.

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto The HR data need to be sufficient quality to work. Are you using a belt?

[RuisBread]

Something to consider, make sure your GPS tracks are not done in a stadium or Olympic field track, these will never work due to the nature of inaccuracy with GPS measurements done with constant turns. GPS tracks with lots of turns, or routes that are confined to a small area like a park may not work for VO2 Max calculations in my experience. Try running on a route where you have lots of flat and strait bits, get some distance. Run these flat bits without stopping and you should get VO2 max calculated.

Additional things to consider:

• Sync with Suunto App before the run.
• Do not reset your device, this just wipes data, and messes things up! For example GPS assist will be wiped with every reset, you will need to sync with Suunto app after every reset to get this again. Resets should be done only if you have some sort of usage blocking issue, like the OHR leds are not firing up (Was an issue not too long ago) or display is blank/jammed.
• Allow the OHR sensor to get a fix on your pulse, before your run, let the unit be in the “Start” display for awhile, showing a constant HR result. With old Suunto 9 I used to let the unit sit in this display for 2-3 minutes, while I stretched. With Race I have not had as many issues with OHR, maybe because it’s doing the true 24/7 HR track, so it’s got my HR locked.
• Make sure the GPS fix arrow is green before starting.
• Warm up before starting the exercise, this may improve OHR results by quite a lot. Hasn’t been necessary with Suunto Race.
• Run with effort! Vo2 max runs need to reach high HR levels, the higher the better. I personally say reach HR zone 4, and try to keep it there, at least on the long strait bits. Avoid going to HR zone 5, except until the very end. If you are a beginner to running, you will just tire yourself out if you reach zone 5 too quickly, and get a worse result.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin i’m only using my suunto vertical solar nothing else. I supposed it must be enough ?
Each time my HR seems to be OK (at least I consider it like this when I see the charts)

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto I am not sure a 15 min run is long enough as you stated 15 min 3x per week. I do not know all of the specifics for race predictions but you need sufficient HR quality and some higher intensity to make that work. Fifteen minutes is just over a warm up or less, mine are 20 min prior to doing intervals.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin sorry I wasn’t clear enough hehe but my workout are more something like 1hour (at minimum) with differents intensities between warmup and real training session
After 7months I think (even if it’s something not regular) the result must be displayed ^^

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto said in Progress Performance doesn't update and other issues with resources and stress measurement:

@Brad_Olwin sorry I wasn’t clear enough hehe but my workout are more something like 1hour (at minimum) with differents intensities between warmup and real training session
After 7months I think (even if it’s something not regular) the result must be displayed ^^

Something odd going on, mine has worked for ages although quite optimistic for a 68y old. The VO2M is low, my measured is 54.

[Liszto]

@Brad_Olwin for example this is my session of the day, and I still have the message “do 1 outdoor activity” after this one.

[Brad_Olwin]

@Liszto one issue I see are your zones! Zone 5 for 40 min is not possible. I don’t know how you set them but they are too low. This may contribute to your issues with race prediction.