Suunto OW202?

Yes it’s why I said if the 202 is another successor of s9 It could be a nightmare

Why would it be a nightmare? I’m fairly certain S9P pretty much kills existing S9 model sales. As such, S9 is being heavily discounted. Just compare its prices now to what it used to cost 2-3 years ago. People might want a bigger watch and a bigger screen, but that’s all they are getting with existing S9.

As far as the new S5, which is going to be S9P but with cheaper hardware. I’ll bite… Smaller battery, no baro. OK. Anything else you can take away? Sapphire screen? Fine. But you still have quite a price differential? Unless you turn S5 into S3 or better still, into Suunto version of Forerunner 45 or Pace 2, I don’t see how materials alone would account for almost $300 difference you want to obtain. Especially while still getting new features.

DMytro

@nickk actually saphire screen is pretty pricey. The reason being: one needs to grow a solid saphire crystall from the ground up and then somehow smoothly cut it into round pieces.
Procedure is really spectacular btw

@dmytro Price difference between sapphire and regular Gorilla is less than $100. You can readily observe that with Garmin watches.

I understand people want to see a deep refresh of S5, and maybe that’s it. But I don’t see how you can get $300+ difference between S9P and existing S5 and new features.

Neither do I see why you need 2xx code name when all other iterations bumped a version by 10-20 at most.

DMytro

@nickk not a fair comparison. Firstly, who says Garmin and suunto has sapphire of the same quality. Secondly, even if we assume the same price of raw materials the men-hours needed to perfect and assemble a more complicated glass type would cost much more in EU than in China.
And it’s just the glass, maybe some other factors can contribute too: different more simple build that sacrifices sleekness of s9p to keep the cost low, lower quality steel, etc.

@dmytro Honestly, I’m no expert on watch glass, but my Fenix 6X sapphire screen looks every bit as great as S9P. in fact, I’d wish Suunto used a similar oleophobic coating Fenix is using. You can fault Garmin for many things, but build quality of their high end watches isn’t one of them. Then again, COROS Apex is sapphire too, and it’s only $299.

Regardless of how it’s sourced or assembled, it’s just not a major cost contributor, marketing aside. Honestly, I wonder if sapphire is that much more complicated to produce than Corning Gorilla Glass or Garmin’s PowerGlass.

I’m saying this only to underscore my basic point: S9P with its size straddles the difference between S5 and S9, and that makes S5 a somewhat tricky proposition going forward. If you want to retain the same $300 price point, you can’t really hope for S9P design, thinness, battery life, or any new features, which makes me wonder what’s going to be there that deserves a jump to OW2xx range?

I’m happy to be mistaken.

DMytro

@nickk I’m just talking about saphire glass manufacturing process, not arguing with your conclusions:)
You can’t tell whether saphire is quality by eyeballing it, you need precise tools. What exactly determines the quality? Amount of impurities I would think. How is this achieved? You take a big chunk of saphire crystall, which you grow in-house, it needs to be a cylinder form. Then you attach a high temperature ring around its region. You melt a portion of the crystall with this, so that other materials in the crystall will either float up or sink down. As this happened only in a single region, you slowly move your heat ring up and down, till most of “other stuff” floated to the top or sank to the bottom. Now you cut top and bottom off and you’ve got yourself a nice peace of saphire. Depending on amount of trips of the ring, you can vary the purity of saphire, procedure is rather expensive and delicate. And didn’t even mention the grown of the crystall itself, which is also not an easy task.
It’s way easier with regular glass. And gorilla glass is just regular tempered glass with some extra stuff added into the mix. Sure, it’s not easy to cook the reciepe, but once you have it - it’s no longer that complicated.
Btw fun fact: corning became popular due to its fiber glass manufacturing and original gorilla glass formula was long known but never used, until the iphone came along.
I’m no expert of course and someone more knoledgeble may correct me.

zhang965

are we still talking about OW202, aren’t we?

zhang965

S9P is still out of stock on the suunto site,

could it be…placed directly by OW202?

The biggest mystery for me is, will there be a S9(B) GEN2?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 no it won’t be replaced by open water 202

It’s out of stock both due to demand and supplier issues.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 actually if you subscribe to get notified when back on stock you can order from a special link that the email has.

Nigel Taylor 0

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zhang965

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I’ve just ordered a S9P from the IN STOCK URL.

Hoping it would ship from an in stock warehouse?

zhang965

@nickk said in Suunto OW202?:

I’ve just ordered a S9P from the IN STOCK URL.

Hoping it would ship from an in stock warehouse?

Well, I think maybe suunto E-shop team has made some mistakes,

If I understand, they use Magento as the e-shop? and they might set wrong product stock number for different root e-shop, /ecom/ and /sports-watches/ , @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 no but please keep this to you.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

Just a little say: I deleted your 2 posts just for the urls. Ping me back if you think that’s not ok.

My intention is that customers that have subscribed and wait get it first. As they should.

So lets not leak it 🥳

Nigel Taylor 0

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos fair enough -

Although the website really needs fixing…seems a bit odd to get different availability based on which of two equally obvious clicks you take from the front page.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nigel-taylor-0 but that’s how it works. What fixing should it have ?

zhang965

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto OW202?:

@zhang965 no but please keep this to you.

I understand now,

Nigel Taylor 0

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto OW202?:

@nigel-taylor-0 but that’s how it works. What fixing should it have ?

Hmm…

Surely, if I…

Go to the website of a local event organiser, click to view all their races, and then click on a specific race from that list, and it says “yup - places are available - please buy one”.

vs

Go to the website of a local event organiser, click directly on a specific race (the same one) they’re advertising on their front page, and it says, “sorry, that race is full”

…then there is a problem to solve!?

This is an exact copy of the Suunto 9 Peak situation. It lists as available and not-available, depending on what you clicked before - that’s wrong surely?