Suunto OW202?

zhang965

@ze-stuart said in Suunto OW202?:

@ink357 I don’t think the FCC cares about a manometer: only devices that interact with radio waves, so only the Bluetooth and GNSS components are listed.

So, have you found something new?

I’ve checked someting and I think it could be a new suunto 5.

the spartan trainer is ow 163 (released about 2017)
Suunto 5 (Suunto trainer 2) is ow 186 (released about 2019)
and OW 202 could be …?

spartan ultra is ow 161 (2016)
S9 is ow 183 (2019)
S9P is OW 194 (2021)

And, OW202 marks Hardward version as C4 with SW version 2,16.

And, it seems all flagship Watchs had censored name in fccid.io ? like spartan ultra, ambit3 peak and 9, 9 peak are all called Sports watch with GPS and BLE Connectivity,

but the lower watchs had the real name? as suunto 5, 7, trainer

I don’t think suunto will soonly release a new top line watch,

zhang965

@nickk said in Suunto OW202?:

@zhang965 Reading tea leaves and bone cracks, here’s a thought though: a big reason for people to pick up S5 was the size, no? Apart from baro and a few other things, I’d say S9 and S5 are totally equivalent. Now S9P takes the size argument away.

Where does it leave S5? What can it possibly offer over S9P other than price? And what’s gonna get removed feature- or hardware-wise to make said price?

Also, if all recent models of the past few series were codenamed OW-1xx, under 200, wouldn’t it suggest 200+ is something quite new and not a continuation of existing lines?

My bet is a mythical S11, with LifQ OHR sensor package, a new processor and expanded memory capable of running multiple S+ fields and perhaps structured workouts plans from places like TP and FinalSurge. Maybe, a Fenix 6X like 1.4” MIPS display, with ALS similar to A9P. Who knows? Ambit like user programmed data fields via S+ public API and such?

Either that, or a new diving watch that, like Garmin Descent, will combine both daily tracking/sports and diving.

I might be agree with you about the new flagship, but the problem is the S lines are sharing the same firmware to simplify the dev. So, in my point of view, there is no need to just release a new flagship to complete the features. excepting adding (something like )a map on the watch, but… I don’t think the Suunto’s own firmware will get it.

If it’s a new physic appearance, well, I think the S9P is the top one, excepting suunto adds a solar power on S9P call it S9P solar or something and call it Suunto 9 ultra peak?

The nightmare could be… a suunto 9 peak without baro… Like suunto did once for suunto 9. When 9 was released, 9 had had baro, just a couple of weeks later… they call the original suunto 9 as baro, and a new suunto 9 for…no-baro.

So, I think the ow 202 could be… Suunto 5 peak…which is the new look for S5? (but I think S5 is more like the ambit serie)

suzzlo

Are these numbers Suunto’s responsibility or are they assigned by FCC?

For me S5P could make sense.

This is my whishlist:

New GNSS
New BT5.0
LiveQ HR + SOp2
Updated HW
Baro (please please please)
300€
S9P like design (like S3 but with GPS)
Smaller battery
Training Peaks integration
Firstbeat metrics (with adaptative training)

Love that!

BR

Tomas5

@dulko79 exactly, and in some countries, S9P cost is more than one month salary. Not everyone can afford to pay that much for watch. And price difference between S5 and S9P meens you pay over 400€ just for compas and barometer and better battery but for lot of people battery life 16-20h for hiking on S5 is enough.

zhang965

in summary, there is a couple of possiblilities:

a new flagship watch, as the firmware version is 2,16 in the fcc report, so it could be a new flagship sharing the same firmware with 9/5/3, Do you think this is necessaire? As the S9P is already completed flagship a new flagship more expensive than S9P? will you buy it?

a Suunto 9 successor, I know we had S9P now, but don’t forget the S9 has a mark as GEN1, will it be a GEN2 soon? I don’t think so, S9 serie is messed up a little bit now, we have original S9(B) Gen1 and new design S9B but still marked GEN1, S9P has no GEN marks but if ow 161 is spartanultra, 183 is S9, 202 could be a real successor (GEN2) for S9, So the S9P 194 is an … Expansion pack of S9B GEN1 ? If 202 could be the S9. GEN2, well, the Suunto 9 serie will be more complex than whole suunto serie. S9P, S9(B) GEN2, new S9B GEN1, S9(b) GEN1. And you know the S9 is almost the same price as Suunto 5 now… if it’s true, it’s nighmare

Suunto 5 Gen 2, it’s the most logic answer, it’s the time for redesign S5 now, but if the new S5 costs 300 euros, why you don’t buy a S9?

Mi_chael

I think the next watch will be a « new » S3. The S3 fitness was released in June 2018. The S5 in June 2019.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.39.20

@zhang965 said in Suunto OW202?:

Suunto 5 Gen 2, it’s the most logic answer, it’s the time for redesign S5 now, but if the new S5 costs 300 euros, why you don’t buy a S9?

Size.

What I miss in my S5 are two things - compass and more battery modes (as in S9). I don’t need baro - it’s nice to have but not a deal breaker.

S9P would be an ideal successor for me but since my S5 works like a charm - I see no need to spend 2000+ PLN for a new watch.

If we’re talking about S5 replacement, it would have to be rather affordable and - perhaps - fitness oriented?

But as I see it right now, S5/S9 works mostly as a size difference (mind the baro) and S9P is something new.

zhang965

@mi_chael said in Suunto OW202?:

I think the next watch will be a « new » S3. The S3 fitness was released in June 2018. The S5 in June 2019.

Well, I got you, but, the story of suunto 3 is more complexe, the suunto 3 that we know today, is the new one, not the 2018 original one

https://www.suunto.com/fr-fr/Actualites/la-suunto-3-fitness-devient-la-suunto-3-avec-une-fabrication-finlandaise-de-precision/

Précommande disponible sur Suunto.com/suunto3 à partir du 23 janvier 2020

Mi_chael

@zhang965

Yes, i know. But new S9 baro was released 2 months before the S9 Peak so wait and see…!!

zhang965

@mi_chael said in Suunto OW202?:

@zhang965

Yes, i know. But new S9 baro was released 2 months before the S9 Peak so wait and see…!!

Yes it’s why I said if the 202 is another successor of s9 It could be a nightmare

Yes it’s why I said if the 202 is another successor of s9 It could be a nightmare

Why would it be a nightmare? I’m fairly certain S9P pretty much kills existing S9 model sales. As such, S9 is being heavily discounted. Just compare its prices now to what it used to cost 2-3 years ago. People might want a bigger watch and a bigger screen, but that’s all they are getting with existing S9.

As far as the new S5, which is going to be S9P but with cheaper hardware. I’ll bite… Smaller battery, no baro. OK. Anything else you can take away? Sapphire screen? Fine. But you still have quite a price differential? Unless you turn S5 into S3 or better still, into Suunto version of Forerunner 45 or Pace 2, I don’t see how materials alone would account for almost $300 difference you want to obtain. Especially while still getting new features.

DMytro

@nickk actually saphire screen is pretty pricey. The reason being: one needs to grow a solid saphire crystall from the ground up and then somehow smoothly cut it into round pieces.
Procedure is really spectacular btw

@dmytro Price difference between sapphire and regular Gorilla is less than $100. You can readily observe that with Garmin watches.

I understand people want to see a deep refresh of S5, and maybe that’s it. But I don’t see how you can get $300+ difference between S9P and existing S5 and new features.

Neither do I see why you need 2xx code name when all other iterations bumped a version by 10-20 at most.

DMytro

@nickk not a fair comparison. Firstly, who says Garmin and suunto has sapphire of the same quality. Secondly, even if we assume the same price of raw materials the men-hours needed to perfect and assemble a more complicated glass type would cost much more in EU than in China.
And it’s just the glass, maybe some other factors can contribute too: different more simple build that sacrifices sleekness of s9p to keep the cost low, lower quality steel, etc.

@dmytro Honestly, I’m no expert on watch glass, but my Fenix 6X sapphire screen looks every bit as great as S9P. in fact, I’d wish Suunto used a similar oleophobic coating Fenix is using. You can fault Garmin for many things, but build quality of their high end watches isn’t one of them. Then again, COROS Apex is sapphire too, and it’s only $299.

Regardless of how it’s sourced or assembled, it’s just not a major cost contributor, marketing aside. Honestly, I wonder if sapphire is that much more complicated to produce than Corning Gorilla Glass or Garmin’s PowerGlass.

I’m saying this only to underscore my basic point: S9P with its size straddles the difference between S5 and S9, and that makes S5 a somewhat tricky proposition going forward. If you want to retain the same $300 price point, you can’t really hope for S9P design, thinness, battery life, or any new features, which makes me wonder what’s going to be there that deserves a jump to OW2xx range?

I’m happy to be mistaken.

DMytro

@nickk I’m just talking about saphire glass manufacturing process, not arguing with your conclusions:)
You can’t tell whether saphire is quality by eyeballing it, you need precise tools. What exactly determines the quality? Amount of impurities I would think. How is this achieved? You take a big chunk of saphire crystall, which you grow in-house, it needs to be a cylinder form. Then you attach a high temperature ring around its region. You melt a portion of the crystall with this, so that other materials in the crystall will either float up or sink down. As this happened only in a single region, you slowly move your heat ring up and down, till most of “other stuff” floated to the top or sank to the bottom. Now you cut top and bottom off and you’ve got yourself a nice peace of saphire. Depending on amount of trips of the ring, you can vary the purity of saphire, procedure is rather expensive and delicate. And didn’t even mention the grown of the crystall itself, which is also not an easy task.
It’s way easier with regular glass. And gorilla glass is just regular tempered glass with some extra stuff added into the mix. Sure, it’s not easy to cook the reciepe, but once you have it - it’s no longer that complicated.
Btw fun fact: corning became popular due to its fiber glass manufacturing and original gorilla glass formula was long known but never used, until the iphone came along.
I’m no expert of course and someone more knoledgeble may correct me.

zhang965

are we still talking about OW202, aren’t we?

zhang965

S9P is still out of stock on the suunto site,

could it be…placed directly by OW202?

The biggest mystery for me is, will there be a S9(B) GEN2?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 no it won’t be replaced by open water 202

It’s out of stock both due to demand and supplier issues.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 actually if you subscribe to get notified when back on stock you can order from a special link that the email has.