S9 Watch faces

Mister PYC

@rhustox

Hello
Please could you look to my post :
https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6654/a-additional-screen-in-personalized-view-targetting-mountain-activities?_=1625640251475

It is exactly what I realized concerning the COMPASS.
For me the COMPASS should be a screen that you can add in the exercises ones and in such case always available … if there is a POI our course, then the compass will have this BLUE arrow pointing it … but if there is NO POI set, still the compass is here and just show you the north and allow you to point a summit to very for exemple its name on a paper map.

This improvement I’m sure is super easy to do.

Mister PYC

@freeheeler

yes for sure having a WEB application simulator of watch face is an big adventure

But imagine the result and benefit …

you and me … and all the people in this forum could “develop” some proposed watch face selecting in the SUUNTO library components the one they want, placing as they wish and with the size color that they want, propose their on chain of screens throug the 3 buttons, the touch on screen or long press on middle button …
then put some text to explain why they did it this way, what they like …
and then some other to vote or to bring a positive criticism …
After … it brings 2 possibilities …
Either SUUNTO decide to control completly and limit the nb of watch face available (because it cannot be loaded such dynamically but must be part of the upgrade package) … in such case tehy could just get inspired by the proposal they will see … even better … they can setup for exempele 10 SUUNTO proposals resulting of all what they see and ask feedback byt hte community … then brign to their wath 1,2,3 … 5 or the 10
Or … there is a possibility to be dynamic … and … to have the user bringing his own watch face he has designed throuhg exproting this SUUNTO Web App simulator “file” and loading it in its watch.
The beauty here is that you give the power to your users with still you to conrol deeply the library components … so you bring us the garantee that we will not import silly components from stupid guys delivering wtch faces full of bugs … you master completely the components, the sole part that you leave free is how they are assemble, sized, colorized, chained … + some standard screens where theis is no customized (paramters for exemple)

Oh yes it is a BIIIIIIIG BIGGGGG step

But what a result …

I will be astonihsed if this take place to see how it will be spoken by the journalists, media and people … because it is only positive : :
Being IT in sales & Marketing during 16 years I can already imagine the pitch
SUUNTO GAVE A SAFE FREEDOM CUSTOMIZATION TO ALL THEIR USERS

Ok I dream … but I promise I have not smoken strange things

freeheeler

@pierre-yves-colle
the point is: we are suggesting tiny little improvements and it takes ages or even until eternity before they get implemented.
if you ask for an entire strategy swap, my rookie assumption is: well, maybe not by the end of the day

Mister PYC

@freeheeler
Oh yes this is for sure.
There is a huge difference between having the possibility to add COMPASS screen into exercise screens which here should be a couple of hours of work … and having a WEB watch face simulator …

Now if it takes ages brining the compass into exercise screen which BTW seems not only something I noticed being missing but some others have also reported then for sure there is a problem.

Fenr1r

@rhustox said in S9 Watch faces:

When in a sport mode like running, hicking or so, are you able to see the compass?

@Pierre-yves-Colle proposes a more comprehensive solution but at the moment …

Breadcrumb screen -> Options -> Bearing Navigation will provide an integer degree compass*.

(*Stops Route/POI navigation and could be clearer.)

@pierre-yves-colle said in S9 Watch faces:

@rhustox

Hello
Please could you look to my post :
https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6654/a-additional-screen-in-personalized-view-targetting-mountain-activities?_=1625640251475

Just love the idea and I’m hoping we can have all these new functions very very soon!!!

@fenr1r said in S9 Watch faces:

@rhustox said in S9 Watch faces:

When in a sport mode like running, hicking or so, are you able to see the compass?

@Pierre-yves-Colle proposes a more comprehensive solution but at the moment …

Breadcrumb screen -> Options -> Bearing Navigation will provide an integer degree compass*.

(*Stops Route/POI navigation and could be clearer.)

I can see, will try it and see if I get what I think

Mister PYC

@rhustox

Incredibelly super marvellous …
you will make my journey … or my year !!! if you deliver them

I hope having not make things to sophisiticated and just respecting yoru own logic
… and I’m a 9 BARO owner … so do not make me the trick / joke to release this only in a PEAK one but not on a 9 BARO … otherwise … send me a PEAK for BETA testing … or reward for ideas

Just one point : have you noticed that i added a graph on temperature ?
the look & feel is the same it is may be “just” the acquisition of T° data regularly to put in place … but it could be nice to see the trend … may be a gadget here … or… if it is during an exercise could be interresting to capture and see if the human performances are not influenced by the temperarures

@pierre-yves-colle said in S9 Watch faces:

@rhustox

Incredibelly super marvellous …
you will make my journey … or my year !!! if you deliver them

I hope having not make things to sophisiticated and just respecting yoru own logic
… and I’m a 9 BARO owner … so do not make me the trick / joke to release this only in a PEAK one but not on a 9 BARO … otherwise … send me a PEAK for BETA testing … or reward for ideas

Just one point : have you noticed that i added a graph on temperature ?
the look & feel is the same it is may be “just” the acquisition of T° data regularly to put in place … but it could be nice to see the trend … may be a gadget here … or… if it is during an exercise could be interresting to capture and see if the human performances are not influenced by the temperarures

Hey, please don’t get me wrong, I’m a plane user with the same needs and concerns on having better options on my watch as you or any other Suunto’s user. I wish I would be in some kind of Suunto dev or design team but rather I’m quite far from headquarters or even with high quality engineering skills to apply for.
My proposals are only as a user, it’s been long long time since being in the international sports career and even being an active sports person my wish is to be heard from Suunto and with luck get all these options available for everyone to enjoy.

Sorry if I sounded differently. My design and marketing skills helped me somehow focusing the ideas I have putting them together as improvements to capture in a graphic form to be understood.

Mister PYC

@rhustox

AH AH AH … AHHHHHHHHHHH
<= Joking => <= to desperate =>

Well is there anyone from SUUNTO DEV Team listening here … BTW in a forum hosted with a URL = …suunto.com … or in fact they found a trick to make us just dream …
I know that Santa Klaus is a such Notht guy that Suunto Cie is …
And I will still believe that SUUNTO could be this Santa Klaus for us

See my post here … you will get a good idea about my dreamed 9 BARO 2022 gift

https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6654/a-additional-screen-in-personalized-view-targetting-mountain-activities?_=1625640251475

https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6728/watch-face-improvement-synthesis-pyc?_=1625667568320

Brad_Olwin

@pierre-yves-colle I think there may be some listening but, there are those here that can communicate with the Dev team. If you look through the forum at past requests and how they have been solved, you will see Suunto tends to make long range, more global changes IMHO. Typically those changes are deeply integrated into the devices and overall design. One example is wireless offline syncing, asked back in the Ambit days. This required new hardware and a completely new mobile app. And, it wasn’t just wireless offline syncing that was integrated but wireless offline route loading as well. Given how few new watch faces have been introduced in the last 2 years, I doubt that extensive changes to watch faces will occur and I expect if the requests gain traction, which they might you may see them integrated in ways you did not expect. From my perspective of owning Suunto’s for a long time, I appreciate the deep level of integration the development team strives for and not as some competitors that pile on features poorly integrated into the mobile software and operating firmware. This is just my opinion and my observations.

Mister PYC

@brad_olwin

Hello Brad, this is my fear …

Being marketing oriented they may go for features that they think will be “fashion victim” and future target but not for those already ownign a SUUNTO … you sell much easier a very new watch design totally different than just some adjusments … somehow I understand them, this is normal … but in another side … beign an IT guy since now 30 years and used to design, code and improve GUI, what I’m suggesting is not rocket science neitheir revolutionary nor going in the opposite way of their logic and last but not least … if the code was an open source available one, I’m convinced that I could have released in the same time what I’m suggesting that the time it took me all to document and think to all these posts since now 2 weeks … so … a small effort indeed …
But OK let see how it evolves … .it will be very interresting now to cool down and observe … it might drive future choice for a future acquisition either staying with SUUNTO or if others show they do better … to go to competition … COROS seems to become better and better … but I do not like to go elsewhere without having given all the option to stay.

One point SUUNTO should take care … Being proprietary is most surely the right approach – I though a lot to this and finally I’m convinced it is the good choice – but another nordic company who was by far TOP 1 made the exactly same mistake … and sunk … NOKIA … listening to users’s ideas and still having a small task force to move ahead and deliver is not a high cost but keep them in movement … nothing is worht that being static … it can kill you hyper fast especially when you discover that the other have moved suddently to a place that you were thinkign they cannot reach .

I leave this story of NOKIA very sadly as it damaged us a lot … this is also why even if honestly I have nothing so much to gain I’m still proposing improvement …
and also for the beauty to activate the brain and dream ::-)

Let’s see

isazi

@pierre-yves-colle there are at least two people working for Suunto in this forum. There may be more, but I don’t know them

But hey, this forum is mostly about the user community, it provides a feedback to Suunto but is not how you contact Suunto if you need to talk with someone at the company. It’s in primis where you talk with other users, and where you follow the beta program of the Suunto app.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mister-pyc Nokia didn’t fail for that.

Nokia failed because the lower rank employees didn’t raise their voice to their faulty managers decisions.

Mister PYC

@isazi
They will remain top secret otherwise … poor guys … they will be under assault
My just point was … I hope it is not only a forum for nothing and we talk talk talk talk … forever … we valuate betwteen ourselves our ideas … but no-one is on the other side of the street

Mister PYC

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in S9 Watch faces:

because the lower rank emplo

Humm humm … a little bit more complex … I was not far from this story … my cie was having N… for more than 30% few years before they collapse and fortunatelly for us our ceo command to diversify as too dangerous … still I let you imagine what a 30% customer is interconnected with its supplier what was the side effect …
They failed because they did not saw the wave coming and too sure that by having the more robust better material will always be the driving factor …whereas many people may choose a competitor product only on cosmetic aspects …
Looking to the watches … this market is evolving now COROS is here … a chinese cie … and we never know what will be their next move …
What is strange by the way … when you look to comparison articles on the web … I’m sorry to say that but none is serious … I was reading some yesterday between COROS, SUUNTO, GARMIN … some which were the most with content … and despite that you have the feeling that the guys who tested it were just with the watch for few hours or even minutes and did their paper based on the marketing docs … no-one for example valuate the usability of the watch GUI … for example when you read on COROS Vertix … the guy tells you that it is THE watch for mountainers … and when you try to get why … it is just because he saw that above 2500 m the watch compute your oxygen level and tell you if you could continue or better do a stop … well well well … I prefer to reserve my comment on this …

Egika

@mister-pyc I think this has been mentioned before.
This board has been founded by Suunto to listen. And it continues to work this way.
Still there is no direct way into development with high priority just because one is shouting louder than others.

isazi

@mister-pyc it’s not for nothing if we talk. There is a ton to learn from people in this forum, about watches, sport, life, training.

Mister PYC

@isazi

And who knows …
…hummm …
…what made you believe it could have been me ???

SUUNTO forever.jpg

There is lots of ways to take all these ideas, improvements, proposals, whatever you want to call it, being realistic or not for the company interests now in short or long terms.

One certain thing nowadays is the companies are no longer in charge in high percentage (unfortunately for them) of what they produce, design and what it’s going to happen next next.

As a little fact and funny example, imagine expensive and powerful cars like ‘Lambo’ and Ferrari with its endless history fight between their founders. One day things turned, already happened, and got to got for electric engines (unfortunately soon) instead of amazing sound combustion engines… Would you keep against the current because you say so, would you follow the market? It may sound easy but I’m sure it is not for a brand.
Another tragic story of Spanish motor brands: Years ago, there used to exist Ebro and Pegaso (vans and trucks) and Bultaco, Ossa and Montesa (motorbikes). As many other companies that failed around 60s-80s the lack of focus, market vision, money to invest, techonogy and listening to the market needs ended up with the total failure of their amazing products. Now, here comes the sad thing when you open wide a japanese motorbike engine of any brand. They are all a replica of the first Spanish models. The japanese took the idea, copied its core along with development and improvement they became the best motorbike brands.

Not trying to criticise or anything against Suunto, just saying that the market is evolving everyday, of everything really, now from some years ago and bearing this trend for many years coming there would be a moment that if you are not capable of doing what I really need you become useless.

Do you think your Suunto watch should be tactile? What for when you are skiing with big gloves, cycling at 40km/h or maybe running a marathon, should be a must for a good use and performance? I don’t think so, it is just a response of a trend and if you are not in it, you are out and forgotten.

We can see that in many ways, social media (remember Google+), new amazing products or not so good, if this thing is not exactly what the market needs now maybe it is not the time for it and becomes useless. If you bring something that was needed only some time ago, it is again useless.

I can imagine myself the strive of every tech company brand. I work for a different branch of business in the marketing-design-image area and I can say the pressure is high, the rivalry is tough, the price to be the number one is rampagin and all this fight is to bring the final user the best product, the price and the best experience.

I’m sure if there are listeners, here in this forum or somewhere else where they take tips for improvement, the company is smart enough to do the best they can to at least ‘please’ every demmand on their interest and for the good of all both old and new customers because it is more difficult to get a new customer than to make happy an old one. Here is an example of one that never had another ABC or GPS watch rather than Suunto, even had the chance to I preferred to keep with.