First questions about the Race 2

[isazi]

@dreamer_ said in First questions about the Race 2:

Hi,

• Are turn by turn notifications working on routes where you are using the same route there and going back (using the same route, or just repeating only some parts of the same route in both directions)? In the past in that scenario, the notifications got mixed. I don’t know if this had been solved.

Route in reverse should now work also with turn by turn notifications

• Are turn by turn notifications working by default on imported GPX tracks? (in the past the Komoot workaround did not work fine for me)

Same as before

• Is it possible to customize wake up alarms , let’s say one alarm on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays. Another alarm for tuesdays and thrusdays and another one for weekends? I work from home 2 days per week and in the past I needed to remember every day to change the alarms (there were only options from monday to fridays, and for weekends but It was not possible to customize alarms for this scenario of for people that works in shifts).

You can have multiple alarms but not select specific days

• What about POIs? Not all, just very minor things is enough for me. I.E. Things like water fountains are really useful to see in the maps.

Always been there

[dreamer_]

@isazi thanks a lot!!! WoW!!

So the only missing thing is the wake up alarms. I hope you can push a little update for this. Think that is not good at all for the user to remember every day to change the wake up alarm in the scenarios I explained. I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of people like me that works several days from home and others from the office (and the thing is the rest watches of the market has this solved). Don’t forget to fix it please. At the end this is also feedback for something that is still pending to fix

So everything else is now IN.

I also remember some precision issues with the GPS tracks when the GPS adquisition was lost multiple times and during the time in the mountain. I totally understand this is fixed (it’s a while for that thing) but I wanted to comment because I’m seeing something similar in DesFIt’s review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AnKvQaPOM (minute 16).

Thank you so much @isazi . Very happy with what Suunto has accomplished with the Race 2. Very well done guys

[Steven Hambleton]

I made a feature request to have day selection for alarms.

One step further would be smart alarms which wake you when you’re in a light sleep cycle, closest to your alarm time.

[duffman19]

@dreamer_ The navigation and turn-by-turn function was changed a few updates ago (I’m guessing you currently don’t have a Suunto watch?). Hard to say if it was an improvement or not. There had been some discussion regarding it. Maybe you can dig through the update posts to find some, but the gist is:

• Turn notifications now occur only once at about 20 meters from the turn. This works well for slower activities like hiking, but is too short for faster ones like cycling or running.
• Notifications now only show in the small “tooth” at the bottom of the screen. No more full-screen notifications.
• On the map screen, the tooth will show the distance to the next waypoint or the end of the route. It is no longer possible to see the distance to the next turn.
• There are still issues with auto-reversing when following an out-and-back route or one that doubles back on itself. There is a good discussion about that here - https://forum.suunto.com/topic/12994/suunto-navigation-tendency-to-auto-reverse-route-when-it-shouldn-t.-bug-or-misguided-feature
• Imported GPX files still do not support turn-by-turn. You’ll need to create the routes in the Suunto app or link through Komoot (and maybe Strava? I’m not sure.).

If your primary concern is navigation, I don’t think you’ll see a huge improvement with the Race 2. It is currently running the same software as the rest of the lineup. It works well enough and the on-watch map experience is great, but there are still a few hiccups.

[dreamer_]

@duffman19 said in First questions about the Race 2:

@dreamer_ The navigation and turn-by-turn function was changed a few updates ago (I’m guessing you currently don’t have a Suunto watch?). Hard to say if it was an improvement or not. There had been some discussion regarding it. Maybe you can dig through the update posts to find some, but the gist is:

• Turn notifications now occur only once at about 20 meters from the turn. This works well for slower activities like hiking, but is too short for faster ones like cycling or running.
• Notifications now only show in the small “tooth” at the bottom of the screen. No more full-screen notifications.
• On the map screen, the tooth will show the distance to the next waypoint or the end of the route. It is no longer possible to see the distance to the next turn.
• There are still issues with auto-reversing when following an out-and-back route or one that doubles back on itself. There is a good discussion about that here - https://forum.suunto.com/topic/12994/suunto-navigation-tendency-to-auto-reverse-route-when-it-shouldn-t.-bug-or-misguided-feature
• Imported GPX files still do not support turn-by-turn. You’ll need to create the routes in the Suunto app or link through Komoot (and maybe Strava? I’m not sure.).

If your primary concern is navigation, I don’t think you’ll see a huge improvement with the Race 2. It is currently running the same software as the rest of the lineup. It works well enough and the on-watch map experience is great, but there are still a few hiccups.

Thanks a lot for the detailed info. This is a very valuable feedback for Suunto. Someone should have a look at all these things, since are very important specially now. So the navigation issues I was pointing seem that are still there.

[dreamer_]

@Steven-Hambleton said in First questions about the Race 2:

I made a feature request to have day selection for alarms.

One step further would be smart alarms which wake you when you’re in a light sleep cycle, closest to your alarm time.

Thanks @Steven-Hambleton !!

[Tomas5]

@isazi said in First questions about the Race 2:

• What about POIs? Not all, just very minor things is enough for me. I.E. Things like water fountains are really useful to see in the maps.

Always been there

I think he talks about POIs build into maps by default. Not POIs you can create yourself. Something like garmin where you can see multiple type of interest points in maps directly on watch without need to create them manually.

[dreamer_]

@Tomas5 That’s right. In Garmin I see the POIs without setting anything. I don’t care much about this because you can set them but is sometimes useful . I.e when you are running in the mountain and you find water fountains, or if you get injured and don’t have your phone with you…But nothing more that some basic POIs. There are some interesting use cases. I’d not want to have a saturated map with lots of things like actual is happening with Garmin. Just only the very basic things like those examples

[Brad_Olwin]

@dreamer_ If you want routable maps your only options are an Apple Watch or Garmin. None of the other brands offer routable maps that I am aware of.

[duffman19]

@Brad_Olwin Don’t think @dreamer_ is talking about routable maps, but rather having POIs built into the on-watch map, like stated above. Polar and Coros have this, with town names, street and path labels, peak locations, and the like. These simple markers can be quite handy. Not unreasonable to think this might come to Suunto one day.

[dreamer_]

@duffman19 Amazfit does also also have POIs by default. You can see them in the T-rex 3. You don’t need to set anything. They are just there.

If Polar and Coros do also have them, Suunto should. I don’t find this thing as something important but It is something to have a look at. Just some basic POIs at least, that should be enough.

The turn by turn notifications in all the explained scenarios are also working in other non Garmin watches (i.e. tested myself in the T-rex 3 sharing parts of the route in different directions with the same way out and back route, and even in imported gpx tracks). You don’t need to do anything. Everything just works in that watch.

Nobody is asking for routable maps. In fact I don’t like how laggy are those maps in Garmin and they look something of the past. But I do find very important the things I asked and @duffman19 answered so nicely. Because I do a lot of mountainering and I consider Suunto’s watches done for the mountains.

I expected these things to be fixed. I think this is nice feedback now at this moment. That doesn’t mean that this is not the best Suunto watch ever, because It is. I like it a lot.

The screen looks incredible, the fixed HR, the new legs design (I had issues with my wrist bone and the Race), the new charger so premium, and the general build. It looks like a very premium watch and this should be said.

But if there are those software things yet, then fix them guys, please. This watch is very near to be the first, and for the very first time. You are doing an almost perfect work, make It perfect.
Fix just those navigation and alarm software things and we’ll have the best watch of the market. And at a reasonable price