Suunto Run reviews
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@Egika Presumably, antenna placement or some other factor could limit a device’s GPS accuracy, beyond just the chip set.
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@Egika I have done the same thing with the Vertical and the Race S. I think at about mile 3 or 4 there was a slight 0.01 variation, but still rock solid. Suunto has had the best GPS of any watch I have ever owned.
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I am hoping that many features of the Run will be backported to some older watches, particularly the Race S for me but also the Race and Vertical. I’m coming from the Apple ecosystem, where watchOS updates to older watches are roughly concurrent with new devices. So when Apple Watch series 10 was released last year with watchOS11, that OS version also came to series 9 and others. As an example, in watchOS 11, there was a new Vitals app that summarized a few recovery metrics, and that feature instantly came down to my series 7 watch.
Looking at the Run, a feature like the new Breath widget seems like something that should be backported to older Suunto watches. I understand Suunto might be constricted in terms of development resources, etc. so I wouldn’t expect things like this to immediately be available like Apple’s watchOS does, but I would hope that it would come eventually.
Elsewhere in this group, I’ve commented about my desire for the offline music feature. Looking at the reviews that dropped today, I did see a comment that one way to get music onto the watch is by bluetooth transfer and one can do this from one’s phone using the Suunto app. While the new charging cable can also connect to a computers to allow drag-and-drop transfer (which is new hardware not compatible with older devices), it’s nice that phone/bluetooth is an option, so I’m hoping that’s enough to allow this to be backported as well, although it may be that particular feature won’t make it.
As for the Run overall, I think it’s overall good value, and most of the limitations as I understand them seem reasonable: breadcrumbs instead of full maps, only HRM and footpod sensors and not cycling power meters, etc. makes sense for this device. I still think the sports mode limitation is a bit silly. For example, I use the “Martial Arts” mode to track Kickboxing, which does not seem to be present. However, “Boxing” is present, so I think I’d be able to use that; and furthermore, once uploaded to Suunto app, I could edit and change sport mode there. And Boxing as one of the modes seems weird when Calisthenics isn’t present? Seems there’s more people who would do push ups, bodyweight squats, etc. then would do a Boxing workout or class. Unless these sport modes take a lot of storage space I don’t really get their limitation here when they’ve already been developed, and I think the Run has enough limitations from the Race series already.
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Thanks everyone for your feedback.
I also think RUN is a step in the right direction:
- improvements in athletics (track/lane number!),
- improvements to the watch interface and usability
- the ability to lock the display!!!
- improved HR sensor in the watch,
We are waiting for these GOOD changes to be implemented in Vertical, Race, and Race S.
We are waiting for more data editing options on the face, especially on the map widget.
I am especially looking forward to changes in the Android/iOS app and additional health tracking.
Suunto Vertical, Garmin Fenix 7 Sapphire Solar, Garmin Edge 840, Polar H10
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@maszop said in Suunto Run reviews:
@Egika Let me remind you of what I wrote earlier:
Drain battery, non-functional WiFi switch, no contour lines, non functional navigation messages, overestimated elevation gain in strong winds, sleep recording problems, no support for advanced workouts, no support for multiple sensors, swim style and distance detection , etc.
What @Egika stated. Despite many of us trying to help you and point out what are bugs and what is design you either don’t read or don’t believe.
I have no battery drain issues.
Sleep tracking is accurate
Advanced workouts are supported in Suunto App and by 3rd parties. -
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French reviews :
montre cardio gps
sport passion
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Hi,
Sorry in advance, I am posting here because I have not found a specific thread for the Run model. I really like it but can’t find any information if DDFA is available for this model.
Thanks
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@Adrian.S said in Suunto Run reviews:
- improvements in athletics (track/lane number!),
as stated elsewhere: this will come to the current watches as well
- improvements to the watch interface and usability
I personally am not sure if the new interface is an improvement. During hard activities or just with gloves, I find it much easier to just press the middle button for the next screen, instead of turning the wheel.
- the ability to lock the display!!!
This is available in all current models (and actually NOT in Suunto Run)
- improved HR sensor in the watch,
While the hardware is slightly different, I don’t see much difference to Race S’s OHR…
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@6iovanni not in real-time, you should have it in the app
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi
being a run model I was hoping it would be available. What a pity, now I have to rethink everything, I took it for grantedThanks!
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@isazi That occurred to me too. Without SuuntoPlus support both imported workouts and zonesense wouldn’t be available.
My guess is that the Run is based on the Xiaomi platform. We previously saw a china-only Xiaomi watch with “Suunto Inside” so it makes sense as an evolution.
But after all the effort to grow the SuuntoPlus integrations with third parties over the last couple of years it would be a huge shame if that was lost just as it was gaining decent traction. While Suunto could work to integrate the popular apps as native functionality there’s a lot of benefit to Suunto in hardware manufacturers using SuuntoPlus to add support where Suunto would otherwise miss out. And I don’t believe ZoneSense would have been developed as fast as it was without SuuntoPlus. So fingers crossed either SuuntoPlus is migrated to the new platform or Suunto decide to keep both platforms for the foreseeable.
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@6iovanni said in Suunto Run reviews:
Hi,
Sorry in advance, I am posting here because I have not found a specific thread for the Run model. I really like it but can’t find any information if DDFA is available for this model.
Thanks
DDFA is not currently on the Run. I do not know whether it will be implemented. I have been testing the Run for quite some time now and have asked for DDFA during testing. Not sure if this will be implemented. I thought for a running watch it should be there.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto Run reviews:
I thought for a running watch it should be there.
Me as well! As you say, I hope Suunto will reconsider
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@far-blue the Xiaomi watch was a one-off project with Suunto helping Xiaomi getting it right.
Suunto Run is a 100% Suunto made sport watch.
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@Egika Then where has this new platform and OS sprung from? It makes more sense to assume it is an extension of an existing platform and given the recent Xiaomi collab plus the fact Xiaomi devices sync with Suunto App it would seem a sensible base to start from.
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All I hope is that most (if not all) of the new Run Watch OS Features/redesigns comes to the older models like the Vertical/Race/Race S. Specifically those:
- Redesigned Widgets with more data at a glance
- new scrolling logic
- UV index in Weather Widget (finally!!)
- New Training Recovery Widget
- New Flashlight modes (beacon, red)
- Track activity
- More granular App notification control
- App icon in Notifications
- More granular Tones & Vibrations control
- Metronome
- Offline Music playback (i’d understand HW limitations)
It’d be a slap in the face if they don’t get ported considering they’re all much more expensive Watches than the Run
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I would be most happy if they would (could) adapt the sensor management (more than one per sort) to the older watches.
Especially for cycling power meters (dual sided) that would be a big gain.
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The Run now has the ability to wear the watch “upside down” with the buttons/crown on the left side. I’m sinister (left-handed) and currently the Race S is problematic. If I wear it on my left dominant arm I get aches on the wrist, which I didn’t realize would be an issue. I’ve never worn a watch on the left arm before. Wearing it on the right arm as I normally would do is also a problem, as it’s difficult to use the crown. I’m hoping the ability to flip is backported as well.
Overall, I question the logic in making an entire “new OS” just for the Run; it seems to me this should simply be the next evolution of the existing OS used by Veritcal / Race / Race S, but my guess is some of Suunto’s desires, like keeping SuuntoPlus off the Run (whether to differentiate for feature set, or a thinking it’s too complex a concept for the target audience) required a larger “break.” Still, given how overall similar the two are, it seems conceptually to me a branch of the existing code base, and if so, I’d hope some features would be easy to bring to the older watches.
I need to review videos of the Run OS a bit more to really understand what all the changes are. Looking at Chase the Summit’s video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S01HKmamOsQ&t=901s
At 6 minute mark, he discusses the interface, he starts by scrolling “down” to see the available widgets.
When “Steps and calories” is shown, there’s progress bars included that my Race S does not have. These progress bars are also shown on Sleep.
However, one can only have seven widgets showing in this down scroll. I currently have 15 on Race S and don’t think there’s a limit. At the bottom of the list of seven is an “All Apps” selection – why is this called Apps and not Widgets here?
I can see the idea of limiting the number of viewable widgets (or even changing the name to Apps, but why use both terms) in this scroll, if the idea is eventually enough widgets/apps will be made it will make it problematic or response delays in this scroll.
Therefore, I can see two things:
– “progress bars” on the widget quick view should come to older watches, as it’s a nice enhancement– changing behavior to “limit 7” would seem a step back for older watches, but if this is accompanied by new widgets (like the Breathe that is now on the Run), and required for the progress bars, would be likely acceptable to most people?
The organization of the All Apps (should be Widgets; yes, using both terms on the Run bothers me) looks nice enough. In this view, there are no progress bars / live data, which also makes sense.
At timestamp 7:45, it’s noted the Run does not have “Resources,” and goes on to saying that Suunto thinks this is replaced by the new “Recovery” feature. I do think that Recovery / Resources might be a confusing area if the two differ in advice (one has good Recovery score but poor Resources, or vice versa). However, as a Race S user I’m getting both metrics in the Suunto app, and I noticed that on the Run device the Recovery metric goes into a little detail of how it’s calculated (see 8:07-8:10) which I’d like to see added to the Suunto app (and having the Recovery widget on older devices would be nice too).
It’s at 9:45 in the video I get bewildered. You now click the Digital Crown to bring up the sport mode activity list. On the Race S, this brings up the pinned widget instead. One scrolls “the top down” to get sport modes (as opposed to “bottom up” for widgets).
My first question is does the Run have anything that comes “top down” now? It’s not that using the crown is worse than the top down scroll (it just seems different), but right now the Race S logic is “top down sports, bottom up widgets, pinned widget from right” and Run is “bottom up widget, crown for sports” and nothing from the top? If they made it so “top down” was a dedicated notifications area (which is how Apple Watch does it) then the change would make sense, or if they used “top down” for anything but just moving it with no replacement seems weird. I think most older watch owners wouldn’t understand this if that was backported.
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@Bastienhere don‘t like the new scrolling logic. Pressing the crown is much better. When cycling having the map view active, I modify the zoom level all the time with the top side of my hand.
This then happens everywhere during training, not just in map view.
And pressing the button is much easier (and less dangerous on the bike) during an exhausting activity.
