Suunto Run + New Strap
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@Łukasz-Szmigiel @aiv4r imho all watches with newer HW will slowly get the new OS. In the end it looks pretty similar to the current one.
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@aiv4r There are some UI hints though that I like. I.e. look at the scrollable bar instead of the arrows up/down. Also It looks like the in focus item is bigger and the others smaller, etc. Very nice. What I didn’t see although it was hinted is the lack of music features (not that I want any - except if you can load Spotify or other service music
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What leaves me a little puzzled/surprised is the 34 sport modes thing. Compared to what’s being reported for the rest of the watches: “more than 95 kinds of sports.”
Will it have a different OS than the rest of the watches? Or will it be the same but limited (like Garmin)? Hmm, I don’t know, I don’t like this mismatch at all…
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@enriqueescoms same here. My guess that it will be trimmed version of the same OS/SW. But yea a bit puzzeled why 34 and what exactly will be trimmed ( i guess running/walking/hiking stuff will stay)
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Limited sport modes is something I dislike to see; it just seems a lazy way to differentiate models, and if one can add their own modalities, couldn’t someone simply just add them back in with some effort?
I understand the need to make Run different from Race, and have an upsell method to have people who come in to look at the Run also consider the Race, but I’d rather those be hardware differences, or software features that require hardware support.
It’s an annoyance when looking at Garmin’s lineup (which is way too many models to begin with) where various features are turned on or off on models almost seemingly at random.
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@timecode I’m not so sure about that. If it was only about polishing, it wouldn’t get new major number. But we’ll see what new features are there.
S9PP 2.40.38
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@Łukasz-Szmigiel If I have to guess, I would say that all recent watches (SV, SR, etc) will receive the new major FW release. And I believe that Suunto Run will be launched as a new entry level watch with “limited features” of this new FW, designed specifically for running activities (who says, it might not have a Baro sensor for example).
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Seems like interesting watch. Starter one. Now waiting for strap so far… cant decide if take black or orange. Probably will end with both.
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Love the orange one
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@raven at the price of 250euro the great Suunto app, the maps, and the battery duration plus the lightweight specs… it’s the best at the market i think between the low range Chaos of Garmin
The target group of that range of watches/runner’s is massive and i think Suunto it’s spot on. -
@gerasimos there is no mention of maps though in the different leaks, unless I missed it?
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@jw-cou i mean the incredible useful maps in Suunto app in the leak’s i don’t see either topo maps in the watch…im not sure
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@Łukasz-Szmigiel Vertical, Race, Race S, 9 Peak Pro, and Ocean are all being still supported and developed as of today.
S9PP is getting a bit old, not sure (personal opinion) for how long developments can be provided for it. -
@jw-cou all the leaks so far hinted that there will be no offline maps on the Suunto Run
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@gerasimos said in Suunto Run + New Strap:
@raven at the price of 250euro the great Suunto app, the maps, and the battery duration plus the lightweight specs… it’s the best at the market i think between the low range Chaos of Garmin
The target group of that range of watches/runner’s is massive and i think Suunto it’s spot on.I didn’t say the Run was a bad deal?
My point is, to the best of my knowledge, removing modality options that already exist in the OS does not reduce the cost to make the watch. If anything, it adds cost as now the software needs to branch to have two paths: the limited modes for the Run and the extra modes for the Race. Therefore, unless offered evidence otherwise, my conclusion is the limited modalities of the Run are an artificial restriction, meant to cause greater distinction between the Run and the Race. I imagine some executive saying “if we give the Run all those modes, then that will take customers away from the Race version,” that is, Suunto is assuming a certain number of people will pay more for the Race, simply because it offers more activity modes.
Additionally, if I am correct, and Run owners can simply create their own modes to replace the ones taken away, then the modes restriction just somewhat punishes people who don’t do sufficient homework. Those who properly follow a caveat emptor philosophy will get the feature back; those who paid more for a Race only for the additional modalities may in the future feel a bit tricked if they learn they could add what they needed to the Run.
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@Łukasz-Szmigiel if not then it’s going to be very strange. There is Vertical, Race, now Run. Race has features the Vertical doesn’t have, like nap detection. Run is not going to have topo maps, reduced amount of sport modes. Other brands have same features, menu, etc., across all models, whether it’s a low or high end model. I am very curious tbh.
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@raven
I suppose the main reasoning behind Suunto creating this particular watch is very simple, practical, and at the same time highly profitable.
It targets the complete beginner runner who just wants a watch that can simply record a basic running activity. They won’t make use of maps or any other specialized navigation features.
It will be a true entry-level model in the Suunto sports watch lineup—easy to use, lightweight, and inexpensive to produce.
And of course, the €100 difference to upgrade to the Suunto Race is significant, especially if someone doesn’t need all those extra sports modes and features. -
@timecode strange. Unless there are some changes in the hardware that call for the new OS. That’s my reasoning.
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@gerasimos said in Suunto Run + New Strap:
@raven
I suppose the main reasoning behind Suunto creating this particular watch is very simple, practical, and at the same time highly profitable.
It targets the complete beginner runner who just wants a watch that can simply record a basic running activity. They won’t make use of maps or any other specialized navigation features.
It will be a true entry-level model in the Suunto sports watch lineup—easy to use, lightweight, and inexpensive to produce.
And of course, the €100 difference to upgrade to the Suunto Race is significant, especially if someone doesn’t need all those extra sports modes and features.So is your position on the extra modes is that they are too confusing for an entry level person?
I’d need to see the list of what’s included and what is left out to fully accept that. I recall when I first turned on the Race S it had a few watch faces, then after the first software update only one watch faces was present and I had to load the rest from the Suunto app. Sport modalities can be like that — load whatever default number you think a new user will look for, but allow them to simply load others they might need. I think even if someone is coming to the Run only expecting to run, having access to more modes is a good thing to encourage diversity.
I say this from experience. Over a decade ago when I started my fitness journey, it was as a runner. At the time I was running 5-6 days a week, at one point over 50km weekly. I wasn’t really doing anything else. Happily, I never injured myself, but over time I learned over things to diversify. In particular, doing yoga has been great for me. My hamstrings had gotten pretty tight and at first yoga was difficult. Now I can put my feet fully on the ground in downward dog, something I thought wouldn’t be possible the first time I tried yoga. I learned to do handstands and headstands and then took up gymnastics. I hope stretching and yoga are included in the sports modes.
For something like maps, I can see where those might not be needed, and if the Run has less storage on it due to not needing to support apps, then this trade-off makes sense. Even for myself, I only really need maps when traveling, and I see the sense in this differentiation. However, I don’t think additional sport modes take a lot of space in comparison?
As another comparison, imagine if the Run doesn’t allow 24-7 heart rate activity, but only allows heart rate reading during a session. This might make sense if the Run didn’t have an optical HRM and required the use of a chest strap (cheaper watch hardware), but having an optical HRM if Suunto were to say “no Heart widget, no 24/7 heart rate, no sleep mode” because the imagined Run user only wants to run I think would be shortsighted.
Also, over on the Apple Watch, Suunto’s “sister app” Sports Tracker has pretty much all the modes the Race does. So one can get more sports modes from Suunto using Sports Tracker on an Apple Watch than on their own new Run model; that’s silly.
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@raven yes that’s my position!
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If the basic line and low cost Garmin Forerunner 55 already meets all the requirements for my activities, why should I spend more money on the Forerunner 965?And yes, developing a watch with significantly less memory and limited software capabilities is much cheaper in terms of production cost compared to a mid range or higher-end model. That’s exactly why the initial build is designed the way it is and later upgraded gradually through software updates.
So, in mass production and with a targeted sales group, the company with new Suunto Run achieves significantly higher profit margins or at the very least, an attempt to capture the segment of consumers who want to spend as less money as possible on a sports watch that is compact, light on the wrist(not metall), and very simple to use.
