Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

AnonVerticalOwner

I performed another hard reset ca. a week back and calibrated the OHR by getting a variety of (3-5 HR zone) activities in early. In combination with the update, more days were tracked accurately or accurately enough.

However, it still seems too unstable. Average sleep time is up 1h from before the update, so that’s an improvement, but it remains under the 6h average it should roughly be (and has previously steadily been since the Vertical’s release).

For what it’s worth, the last 7 days in review:

F: Spot on. (07:47h)
S: Nowhere close. (00:59h, 01:47 - 02:47 and no awake time, versus expected 5-6h with up to 1h awake time)
S: Close enough. (04:59h, ca. 30m early on the wake up time)
M: Close enough. (07:38h, guaranteed to have been awake, but no awake time tracked)
T: Spot on. (05:16h)
W: Not quite. (05:21h, wake up time stated to be 06:08, but overslept til nearly 08:30; did not get up at 06:08, no gaps or spikes in HR data)
T: Nowhere close. (00:53h, 01:31 - 02:24, yet I went to bed at 22:30, passed out rather quick, and got up at 04:08. There’s a gap in the HR tracking and that always seems to throw off the algorithm entirely; did have the watch strapped properly)

Min. HR rate has been 46 on average. HR while writing this message on the sofa is 55-62. Resting HR set to 60 since last hard reset.

Tieutieu

@AnonVerticalOwner Question : was that the first display you had when you woke up ? Didn’t the watch (and SA) got your sleep time updated a few time after ?

Let me explain :
last night I felt asleep at 10:22 pm and got awake to have a drink (for those who may ask : water only ) about one hour later. I then got asleep again until 7:24 am this morning.

The first display when I woke up was my first one hour sleep period. But few minutes after my sleep time has been updated to 9:08 hours sleep, including 4 minutes awaken.

Every time I have such “awake” period at night, the watch behaviour is this same way.

Well, for me sleep tracking works really better since update. Before those kind of sleep/awake/sleep again period were not always tracked very well.

RaDeck

@AnonVerticalOwner
Great analysis! I have much, much better results since the update as well! My sleep summary also pops-up straight after I dismiss the alarm as it, previous to the ‘bigger 2.3’ update, was. I’ve had 2 nights of less exact data: what I found out is that a tight strap is key (I saw you mentioning this factor on your last record). Otherwise a BIG improvement on my end!
I also did a hard reset last week as I was experiencing fast battery drainage (full battery lasting me 3-4 days max without ‘specific’ usage). I recalibrated the % while updating the watch (charge to 100% from 12&%) and now it’s the first time in 5 weeks that I own the watch that battery consumption is aligned [Consumption: roughly 8% / day under ‘normal’ use]

Iggge

This night i got 6 hours of sleep, thats “wrong” with about 40 min. That’s 100% acceptable for me so I am really happy with this new update.
I have resting HR at 60 and my sleeping window is between 2300-0800.
This night i went to bed late, and was asleep around 0130. The watch got this 40 min late, otherwise it was spot-on.

Altso my steps are better after the update. When I woke up the watch shows 23 steps.
Before the update sometimes the watch said I had been walking around 500 steps during the night.

So again! 2.30.38 update was awsome!

Swaddy61

I concur that sleep tracking seems to be more accurate since the update. I couldn’t say ‘exact’, but then I am very good at lying quite still whilst reading, early in the morning, which my SV often thinks is still sleeping, but I accept that!

AnonVerticalOwner

@Tieutieu Sadly hasn’t been the case! The 0:53h and 0:59h days are the final values (edit: the others too)*, and the “good morning” screen seemed to have happened during the night already on those days. I do experience what you’re describing on occasion, though. It’s great when it catches those scenarios and updates the values!

@RaDeck Good to hear!

Whether it’s due to 2.30.38 or just the calibration catching up, last night was spot on again — progress, progress.

Jeffrey Tillack

@Brad_Olwin I have misgivings about buying the Ultra for sure. But for everyday life in a city it actually has proved worthy. And now that I’ve been diagnosed with a heart condition it probably is going to earn its purchase one day.

But yes, I think next year at some stage there’s a Vertical or a Race in my future.

Oh and the Ultra is crap at sleep… every day it’s way out. Yet my old Baro faithfully gets it right day after day!

peegee

Must say that since the latest fix my sleep tracking has been quite accurate, some discrepancies mostly under 30 minutes which is an enormous improvement to pre fix date.

Iggge

A update

Last two days my watch have failed with my sleep recording.
My sleep windows is same as before (23-08) but my watch is only recording 3:14 h of sleep.

Have gone to my bed sometime after 23 and I think that is where the problem is.

Yesterday I went to bed late at 01 and slept untli 08. Watch startat recording my sleep at 03 untlig 06.

To bad because last week it nailed every night and because of that all other data was correct to.

BrunoH

@Iggge I’ve got the newest sw version, but still I am getting absolutely ridiculous results every night. The falling asleep and waking up times are decent, but for some reason I’ve been supposedly awake for 2-3 hours every night. Which is false by the way.

It would be nice to know if it can be improved by tweaking the rest HR (I’ve seen contradicting opinions here in the forum). Or I’d like to see more detailed analysis of when does SV think I am awake? Does it confuse light sleep cycles as being awake or is there one continuos “awake” period?

AnonVerticalOwner

@BrunoH The sleep/awake times have settled for me now too, but curiously enough I also still notice the issue you’re describing. Awake hours are also often round numbers, 1:00, 2:00, etc. Yesterday it was 2:00, while I slept like a rock and my HR was steady at the mid-forties throughout, no spikes.

Comms on resting HR rate seem contradicting, but Suunto customer service once instructed me to set the minimum HR at the daytime rest rate, and adjust it down as/if needed. In addition, they mentioned it’s important to ensure the accelerometer has solid data to calibrate on, as movement too is used for calculating sleep data. The accelerometer is (at least in part) calibrated through walking/running activities with GPS on. It might be that part of the equation is messing with the awake time, but it’s indeed guesswork for us

GiPFELKiND

@AnonVerticalOwner hey I have some really good Infos about the physiology from our sleep. If you understand how exactly the Phases are perhaps you can find Out if the Suunto Algorithmus is working good or bad. Awake Times during our sleep is normal… Read it here

https://www.resmed-healthcare.de/patienten/die-schlafphasen-des-menschen

For my part, I am having difficulty detecting naps on my vertical. I had the breed before going vertical and had no problems with the breed. Naps were well detected and quantified.
The vertical does not detect naps at all although sleep seems to me to be well monitored (bed/wake up times in accordance with reality) I entered the same physiological data in the race and in the vertical. I don’t understand anything.

freeheeler

@Fizzgig
Vertical does not track naps.
it’s the Race only that tracks naps

@freeheeler

the vertical having received the race update, I was convinced that the nap detection was activated.
If it’s not, I don’t have any problem

isazi

@Fizzgig as @freeheeler said Vertical and S9PP do not support naps detection. As of today, only the Race support that. We will see if something changes in 2024, as you know the current algorithm is the first production ready sleep tracking algorithm from Suunto itself.

Frederick Rochette

@isazi I hope this will soon change for SV

Iggge

Last 14 days my Vertical is showing the same data as before the update. According to my Vertical I do sleep about 4 hours/night.
That is clearly wrong and should as be at least 6 hours.
It keep showing that every night I have about 2-4 hours awake time and show wrong wake up time.

BrunoH

@Iggge said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

howing the same data as before the update. According to my Vertical I do sleep about 4 hours/night.
That is clearly wrong and should as be at least 6 hours.
It keep showing that every night I have about 2-4 hours awake time and show wrong wak

I had been experiencing exactly the same symptoms since the sw update and I had already given up on the sleep tracking feature. But then… the dark winter time and dry freezing air made my psoriasis really flare and the skin irritation forced me to move the watch to my right wrist. It’s been two nights now and both were flawlessly tracked. Zero minutes spent awake and the time of falling asleep and waking up are as good as they can get. Interesting!

Iggge

This is just getting worse by the day. This is how over 7 h looks like. For two days ago 7 hours was shown as 2.