Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak

Tomas5

But somehow i told myself that i don’t care anymore. I hope S5 will work for me for next 3-4 years i hope. And than i will see what next. For now i am satisfied with S5. Yes there are some problems which i don’t like or features i am missing, or feature that was taken away. But still it is great watch and i really like it. And even i lot of times complain about something, i still like suunto and i do it just to let them know that some changes would be welcomed.

Tomas5

@suzzlo but at least with other watch brands it doesn’t mean that you can dive 30m deep. It is just rating that usually means that 30m is for very light swimming on surface, with 50m i thing there is allowed to snorkeling and than at 100m and more there is some real possibility for diving.

Edit: it is even more restrictive than u said above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Resistant_mark

DMytro

@tomas5 you need to make a correction for inflation. I did a quick search, in 2010 350€ were the same as 444€ today. And sp5 is 50 euro less. Would you consider s9p with 50m water resistance, baro, compass for 150 euros more than it’s selling for right now?

DMytro

@suzzlo I would disagree on this one. 30m is rating for still water, but once you stop swimming, the pressure on the body of the watch increases - the more furious are you’re strokes, the more challenged is the watch. I don’t know by how much though and whether 30m would cover regular pool swimming or not. Next, if we’re talking outdoor swimming, we may need to anticipate waves and their impact on the watch. Finally, since waterproofing is at least somewhat realised through adhesive and it ages, I would have more trust in 100m waterproofness than 30m.
But personally, I prefer not to trust waterproof rating at all - it gives me a piece of mind if I get in the rain/snow or if I need to submerge my watch for some reason, but I wouldn’t want to go swimming with it - chest strap is enough.

Tomas5

@dmytro well i bought mine A2S in 2013/2014 so it would be more like 410€ in todays price. But i can’t forget that i get hr belt included. With S5P i would had to pay another 80€ for that. Suddenly difference 380€ vs 410€ is difference 30€. So yes i can buy 30€ cheaper in todays prices, but with worst spec in multiple important features. Oposite way mobile phones today are multiple times faster and has multiple times of storage, resolution and another capabilities in same price even after including inflation difference. So i don’t see this as much valid point.

Edit: no point to argue here, i am just not target group for this new S5P ( and i wasnt planing to buy one either) . We will see what future bring as.

DMytro

@tomas5 that’s not quite true. Bundles with HR belt cost 50 euros more, not 80. So more like 60 euros difference, no?
And once again, compared to a2p, s5p has more fitness and outdoor smarts. Better display resolution, more metrics, OHR, quick release straps, etc.
Who says that watches don’t eveolve as smartphones do? I think sensors used have gone through multiple generations between different models. Of course, the pace is not as quick as with smartphones - but barely any tech advances as fast.

I think the bottom line should be: s5p has improved in a few areas compared to S5, which is to be expected from a new model that is ± successor in this line. However, it features a ‘flagship’ GPS chipset, which is usually not the case for midranger. But it also last few things: glass display, metal buttons and water resistance. And it costs 50 euro less. If these changes are justifiable are up to the user.

Tomas5

@dmytro well my fault i didn’t know i could buy S5 with bundled hr belt. So i paid 80€ for that.

suzzlo

@dmytro @Tomas5 so… if you are advanced swimmer or so, you will need to look at S9P, or other watch, but probably, this is not S5P target user…
BR

Tomas5

@suzzlo is there somewhere exact meaning of waterproofing by suunto? By international standards 30m is suitable for shower only. But since this watch are usable for swimming this is not case for suunto. So what exactly 30m and 50m means by suunto ?

I am not advanced swimmer but i like to dive while snorkelling, usually not deeper than 2-3m but rarely maybe to 4m.

isazi

@tomas5 what I know is that reviewers swim with the S5P, often. Not me though.

surfboomerang

@tomas5 the 10m, 30m 100m etc. are in fact pressure measurements converted to water depths so people can relate a bit better.

The waterproofness is tested by pressure. 100m means the watch is capable of withstanding pressure of 10 bar without leaking. This can be 100m under water without speed, but if you add speed to the equation it can be a bit different.

For me as a windsurfer for example, I always go for 100m classification because of the chance of hitting the water at high speeds. No idea if 50m (or 5 bar) of pressure would also be suffice, but I’m not taking the chance because I have no exact pressure measurement of the the moments when the watch is hitting the water.

suzzlo

@tomas5 uhmmm you are right, in some web pages don’t recommend using 30m watches to swim… let’s see what is announcing exactly Suunto, when the watch is officially released

BR

Tomas5

@suzzlo i was looking on suunto website but i didn’t find any clarification what 30m or 50 or 100m means by them. I know the bars rating, but recomendations really can differ since other brands don’t recomend with this kind of watch to swim. But suunto is better in this as it allow to use watch rated 30m in water but i don’t know exactly how much of water it can handle. I am not afraid much with 50m rating for regular swim or diving jsut few meter. But with 30m i would really worry about watch.

Theo Lakerveld

Ray is quite positive about the new 5 Peak in his latest video review.
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/01/suunto-interface-overview.html

pavel.samokha

@tomas5

Disclaimer, that’s not official answer, but from what I know:

We test all products according to a protocol based on the dive standard ISO 6425.
For non-Dive products we exclude a couple of procedures, like pressure cycling, but all in all, our tests are much harder on the devices than ISO 22810 (water resistant mark)
Based on unofficial descriptions that we have used internally, our water resistant to 30/50/100m means you can dive to that depth with the watch.

MiniForklift

@pavel-samokha said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

@tomas5

Disclaimer, that’s not official answer, but from what I know:

We test all products according to a protocol based on the dive standard ISO 6425.
For non-Dive products we exclude a couple of procedures, like pressure cycling, but all in all, our tests are much harder on the devices than ISO 22810 (water resistant mark)
Based on unofficial descriptions that we have used internally, our water resistant to 30/50/100m means you can dive to that depth with the watch.

Well that’s great to know, thanks. Usually if a watch is 30m water resistant you’re taking a risk even swimming with it

I listened to a podcast a while back where they were discussing dive watches, they were alluding to the fact that a dive watch with a 100m or 200m rating isn’t going to fault so much due to the depth, it’s more the pressure that’s the limiting factor. There’s also different strains being placed on your watch at those levels depending on how (and how much) you are moving your arms around

Was really interesting to hear them talking about pressure as I think everyone naturally associates WR with depth and depth alone

suzzlo

@pavel-samokha so basically, any swimming activity in pool and open water is covered. (Thanks for the info)

Tomas5

@pavel-samokha in that case 30m would be enough for me with great reserve. Good to know this. Thank you.

Tomas5

@miniforklift well, depth and pressure are tied together. You can calculate exact pressure in water at exact depth. In theory of course. In reallife there would be some slight changes but it will be negligible.

vinay

I have (had) an Ambit 2S, Spartan Sport, Ambit 3 Peak and a 5 (regular) and somehow I feel that the external GPS antenna should work better than one tucked away under the electronics, glass and a steel or alu bezel. Not sure how much it matters, but at least I don’t see how it could possibly be the other way around. Lower weight isn’t a selling point for me (though I am not into martial arts), better waterproof rating however gives some peace of mind. Not that I necessarily dive deeper than 30m, but from what I understand it usually also has to do with what you can do with the watch submerged. If you’re pool swimming, can you push the lap button? As for OHR, I’ve got dark skin and I’ve never used OHR that jived with what the chest sensor was telling. For lower intensities, to get a more holistic picture of your activities it still is nice to have. I don’t live at high altitude so the amount I’m climbing (typically as an interval/drill) as measured in the climb function of the 5 matters more to me than the absolute altitude I’m at. The compass on the other hand though, I think it really makes sense for a day to day tool. With the Ambit 2S I often just looked at the map, decided which direction to head into without actually planning a route. Without compass, you already need to have your route and/or waypoints.

Either way, it seems to have it’s place. For me the regular 5 is a pretty nice watch, for some others baro is essential, then others actually appreciate the lower profile of the 5 peak over the regular one. Good to see that there are choices.