@Brad_Olwin ok thanks - so i would have to ask sunnto support for a Outdoor_v2 watchface

@Mff73 oh thank you, I didn’t see it. How could it be moved ? Only by admin ?

@far-blue thank you. got it now

correct, a watch is not a technical drawing. So many watches are using all upright numbers: [image: 1726051599798-89c1c048-ecce-45b0-8ba0-afcfbd48b888-image.png] If numbers rotate around the center, then this is the watchmaker’s standard: [image: 1726051777031-2c00d792-0ad6-4ae7-b7bf-5a6dc3b83148-image.png] [image: 1726051544914-4ccb1c35-85df-400d-94cb-e076a60b1446-image.png]