One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad

Olaf Gottschalk

@David-l said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

I think the main issue with this is that we’ve come from Garmin or Apple where everything is available and we have been spoilt by it. Even the garmins that cost less than the SR have the hardware and software to achieve this.

In my concrete case, I came from Polar - and needed to escape constant crashes of my Grit X Pro. (Have a look at the current reviews of the V3 - this is exactly what happened to me for over one year!)

I am absolutely aware of the fact that Suunto is NOT like Garmin or Apple and it was a very deliberate choice to NOT go for Garmin. I simply think their UI both on watches as well as their App is terrible and I don’t need their thousands of features.

This was my point of view.

What I expected was a “similar” experience, clean interface and not feature overkill. Which is mostly what I got - and I love it.

What I did not expect is trivial things missing like pairing more than one bike sensor or routing being so unacceptable in terms of too early hints and not displaying the “Now” hints and blocking the map completely when you most likely need to see it.
This is easy to spot and change when developing a device. So I hope that this will be fixed by Suunto.

My first impression of the official support of Suunto is also … a very mixed bag. On Facebook messenger they did not even understand my “pair more than one bike sensor”… crazy.

Mauerwegler

@Olaf-Gottschalk said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

What I expected was a “similar” experience, clean interface and not feature overkill. Which is mostly what I got - and I love it.

@sartoric: See, he is 90 % happy as I suspected.

Olaf Gottschalk

@Mauerwegler Absolutely. I am. But that makes me even more sad because the “missing bits” are relatively small and I wonder whether Suunto is actually able and/or willing to update this.

Yesterday’s full review of DC Rainmaker stated that also VERY clear:

it is NOT 2023 to offer such a primitive connectivity section with ONE sensor per type AND no IDs visible. Apparently Suunto has done this for many years and so I wonder: is is worth waiting for this to change?
it is NOT 2023 to ignore Emojis. They pop up everywhere and a notification not showing a reaction forces you to grab your phone which is … lame.

I am SO happy with a clean look, sturdy build and NOT overblown Garmin stuff, but these things… sigh

David l

@Olaf-Gottschalk I think you’re right is respect of what audience/market is Suunto actually targeting. It feels like they want the more general market, and if so, they need to look at what they offer as they won’t succeed.

But, apart from countdown on intervals and the obligatory Pr barcode, I’m really happy with the watch when compared to my Epix Pro. Even the HR is fine for me as I only use it as a guide and have a strap if I need to have more accuracy.

It a lot easier and simple to use, creating the workouts are really straight forward and the mapping is pretty good. I know someone was moaning about the directions but, as DC said, just need to tick the box.

wmichi

@David-l I remember when I had the Suunto Spartan Sport, that the watch felt far too basic for the price point. Today the picture is totally different. Suunto added a lot of features since then, but they are still easy to use. That’s a big accomplishment. You cannot say this about Garmin

Regarding UX Suuntos are just very well done (the sport side and general UI, not the smartwatch things). And the little annoying pieces like sensor management will be updated sooner or later. The less those pieces are important for the target audience, the later, of course

lessthanmore

@Olaf-Gottschalk said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

it is NOT 2023 to ignore Emojis.

Yeah dude, totally miss that smiling turd during my runs and workouts.
Who - besides my kids and their friends - requires emojis on a sports watch (not a smart watch)?
Wait until you hear from “audio messages”, they’re mind blowing. But they don’t work either … lame.

Mauerwegler

@lessthanmore

Mauerwegler

@Mauerwegler said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

@lessthanmore

I disagree with you, @lessthanmore – but I wanted to reply to you efficiently with just an emoji. But on Olaf‘s watch emojis apparently look something like this: ️ So he does not see at a glance how the reaction was, or or something else.

lessthanmore

@Mauerwegler I do understand what you and Olaf are talking about. But - and this should also be allowed - I disagree that Emojis are that important.
I personally deactivate all notifications with the initial setup on every watch and mute every device. I wouldn’t even notice if they work or not.

Long story short, I do think there are more important topics. Let’s see what Monday brings

Olaf Gottschalk

@lessthanmore you obviously have a different life or are much older. Can’t help ya.
If you don’t understand the point that it is utterly absurd to have to look at my phone just because the important piece of information is missing - it’s ok for me.

mikekoski490

@Olaf-Gottschalk I have watched several YouTube reviews - you are the only one making sad emojis a deal breaker lol. Ill just add my voice to the don’t care about emojis on a sports watch. I dont even get cell coverage where I trail run and certainly dont need clammering emojis while I workout. I remember when the issues were gps track, mapping and route back, and pace, and a flashlight would be nice. Now that they have nailed that - emojis? Call me old but good grief what a dumb thing to complain about.

Lastly, what important piece of information comes in the form of an emoji?

Brad_Olwin

@Olaf-Gottschalk said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

@lessthanmore you obviously have a different life or are much older. Can’t help ya.
If you don’t understand the point that it is utterly absurd to have to look at my phone just because the important piece of information is missing - it’s ok for me.

If you want a smartwatch buy one! I agree with @lessthanmore and @mikekoski490 as I do not want any notifications when I run. I carry a satellite communicator for emergency messages as there is no cell service where I trail run. With age may come wisdom… I would rather resources go to other efforts to improve sport functions over smart watch functions.

BrunoH

@mikekoski490 good points! Also considering the fact that you must have your smartphone close by in order to get the notifications to the watch in the first place, so where’s the problem? Just grab the phone and use it to read the message just like us old cavemen do. It’ll be also easier to send your important reply that way.

bre ja

Emoji’s are also not important to me because I turn off notifications anyway. I hope that the next update will speed up the wake-up time (now it takes 1.5- 2 seconds) and the possibility to turn off the screen when I use the walking or hiking profile. All in all, the watch has met and exceeded my expectations.

lessthanmore

@Olaf-Gottschalk There’s no need to get personal.
I am more than 10 years younger than you but I still don’t know how age relates to emojis. Well, my parents use them quite a lot.
As I said, I do understand that it might bother someone but you’re making a fuss about it.

You joined three days ago and all I can see are complaints and if one does not agree with you, you get personal.
So, how about you calm down and discuss respectfully like everyone else (zhang’s out anyway)?

Otherwise, have fun and enjoy whatever watch floats your boat and brings you happiness.

mikekoski490

@BrunoH Thanks. Seems like the most critical emoji I receive is a from my wife letting me know the dog has done its business. I guess that is important for my dog to let me know, but not too critical if missed.

Olaf Gottschalk

@mikekoski490 said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

@Olaf-Gottschalk I have watched several YouTube reviews - you are the only one making sad emojis a deal breaker lol.

You don’t get the point at all. Sorry… I wear this watch 100% of the time. And even though I train 15 hours a week, there’s more hours this watch is simply there to be used as a notification device on my wrist so my phone is in my pocket and people don’t get annoyed by me playing with it. Of course I do not care about ANY notification during my activities. They could (and should) be optionally on of off during workout, but that’s another story.

Lastly, what important piece of information comes in the form of an emoji?

Gee. Do I need to explain the difference between a thumbs up and a thumbs down to you??

Egika

@bre-ja said in One weekend and several bugs as well as missing features with the Race - I am sad:

Emoji’s are also not important to me because I turn off notifications anyway. I hope that the next update will speed up the wake-up time (now it takes 1.5- 2 seconds) and the possibility to turn off the screen when I use the walking or hiking profile. All in all, the watch has met and exceeded my expectations.

Speed up like this?
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BrunoH

@Olaf-Gottschalk the optimal solution would be to implement the emojis and then everyone would live happily ever after. Those who don’t want their watch beeping and buzzing constantly could still turn their notifications off and finally you would calm down, perhaps.

But then… Do I need to explain you something about manners? All the subtle and or even obvious hints are not getting through. You are the only one in this forum who has had such a huge problem with emojis in the last 12 months or so and you just can’t let it go. You keep RUBBING IT IN OUR FACES like we were retards. That’s a sure way to get snarky responses like the ones above in this thread. We’re all unpaid volunteers here, so please stop.

In this forum you are encouraged to ask for help, assist others, help debugging problems and suggest improvements. Even some good-hearted bantering is welcome. You are not supposed to loudly and continuously demand your personal preferences or to call people names. Such as “old”, which I am by the way and that’s why I reserve the right to lecture the young padawans when they get too rowdy.

The infamous “zhang” just got banned for three months for getting too aggressive and personal. Think about it while you count all the negative votes to your posts.

There are Suunto employees in this forum, but unfortunately Suunto organization behaves like a stone idol. You can pray, but you’ll never know which prayers are answered. I think the idol heard you already. Can we move on to the next prayer and behave?

MiniForklift

I bought my Vertical for the same reason that I bought my S9B years before it - to train hard, seek adventure and prevent me from getting lost when I am running in new places. It does this perfectly and after owning numerous watches (Grit X Pro, Enduro, Rival Elemnt, Apex Pro) I can honestly say that the SV beats them all by a country mile

You’ll never please everyone, especially the people that don’t do their research before they buy or they blindly buy a Suunto after decades of being a Garmin user. I think before I purchased I watched every one of the review videos and did a deep dive online, I would’ve spent hours before I finally hit the ‘Buy Now’ button. I can’t see me buying a different watch for at least a few years and that’s often not the headspace I occupy

Oh and FWIW I couldn’t care less about emoji’s either - but I probably would if I owned a smartwatch. However both the SR/SV are a military grade tested beast of a serious sports & adventure watch so I would argue that the importance of visible emoji’s are a little lower down on the To Do list. Apologies for the ramble