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    • Pier Luigi CingolaniP Offline
      Pier Luigi Cingolani Bronze Member
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      Is there any information in what classifies a “nap” in the watch? Definitely had few naps and only tracked a really long one.

      Additionally, am I the only one with quite inaccurate sleep tracking? I have to say, I am wearing my watch quite loosely, as it would otherwise bother me, but HR and HRV are really close to what my previous Garmin was tracking so I’d assume they are correct. However, tonight I went to bed as 11.30, SR said I was asleep by 1 (it was definitely before that, but that doesn’t seems a huge error tbh) but then tracked 3hrs as “awake”, when I clearly wasn’t.

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      • ChrisAC Offline
        ChrisA Platinum Member @Pier Luigi Cingolani
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        @Pier-Luigi-Cingolani (I am maybe repeating myself 😅) but what have you set as your resting HR on the watch?

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          Pier Luigi Cingolani Bronze Member @ChrisA
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          @ChrisA i Just read your post, I have set it up to the one I have when sleeping 😅. So you are saying it should be the daily resting HR?

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            ChrisA Platinum Member @Pier Luigi Cingolani
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            @Pier-Luigi-Cingolani yes for me sleep is very accurate, when I set the rest HR in the personal settings on the watch to about 9-10 neats higher than my average nightly resting HR.

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            • David lD Offline
              David l @ChrisA
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              @ChrisA how do you change that? My sleep is having me wake up 40mins earlier than I am (plus HRV is so low!)
              Thanks in advance!

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                Egika Platinum Member @David l
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                @David-Lown said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                @ChrisA how do you change that? My sleep is having me wake up 40mins earlier than I am (plus HRV is so low!)
                Thanks in advance!

                Settings -> General -> Personal -> Rest HR
                And yes, Rest HR is not minimum HR

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                  macdav Bronze Member @Egika
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                  What is the definition of “weak up”? Is it correct, it is not summed up to the total time?
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                    @Egika Shouldn‘t the watch be capable of finding the resting HR by itself? We now have real 24/7 HR measurements and the sleep tracking seems to work pretty good now on the SR. It also would be nice if we could track resting HR over time instead of minimum HR, since it‘s the more important metric (as far as I know).

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                    • zhang965Z Offline
                      zhang965 @wmichi
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                      @wmichi said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                      Shouldn‘t the watch be capable of finding the resting HR by itself?

                      No so far the watch doesn’t ajuster HR

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                        wmichi @zhang965
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                        @zhang965 Currently not, but maybe in the future 😊

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                          zhang965 @wmichi
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                          @wmichi said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                          @zhang965 Currently not, but maybe in the future 😊

                          Yes, future with Suunto’s speed.

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                            Mauerwegler @Egika
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                            @Egika said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                            Settings -> General -> Personal -> Rest HR
                            And yes, Rest HR is not minimum HR

                            I got the impression in this forum that the minimum HR as shown in SA is the „key metric“ I should enter in the watch. I think I‘m not alone with this impression. Is there a page on suunto.com where „rest HR vs minimum HR“ is discussed, especially which one to use to define training zones?

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                              @Mauerwegler
                              afair there’s a huge thread here and a blog post on Suunto site about “how to set” or “how to train” using hr zones
                              you should find it using the search function on both sites

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                                like this one
                                https://www.suunto.com/it-it/sports/News-Articles-container-page/Figure-out-your-training-zones-and-supercharge-your-fitness/

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                                  ChrisA Platinum Member @Mauerwegler
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                                  @Mauerwegler When I set my resting HR in the watch to my nightly resting HR, sleep tracking does NOT work for me, neither do resources (they don’t rise then) - As far as I think it works it’s, that the watch „knows“ when you fall asleep by the fact, that you don’t move anymore and your HR goes down (and perhaps some other factors I don’t know). The difference between sitting on the couch ( and not moving ) and real sleeping is, that there is a difference between your average daily awake HR at rest and your nightly resting HR. And for me it works 😀

                                  Short comparison table: Suunto Race, Oura and a Whoop Strap (last 3days). I don’t care too much about sleep stages (though they seem roughly the same) but the sleep and awake times seem to fit.

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                                  Race seems to be a bit on the „late“ side, but that’s ok and MUCH better, than with other watches, especially Garmin, who was almost completely wrong for me.

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                                    Pilok @ChrisA
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                                    @ChrisA That’s a pretty clever trick, thanks a lot!

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                                      Egika Platinum Member @wmichi
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                                      @wmichi said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                                      @Egika Shouldn‘t the watch be capable of finding the resting HR by itself?

                                      possibly yes. Just as zhang965 has pointed out, it currently does not. You could do it yourself easily when sitting in a boring meeting by pulling up the HR widget.
                                      What you read there sitting calmly not doing any thinking is your resting HR.

                                      For an automatic detection you’d need to tell the watch that you were ‘now’ resting. The effort compared to the above is probably similar…

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                                        I updated the original post including the most important insights of the discussion.
                                        Thanks a lot for all the answers!

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                                          Mauerwegler @ChrisA
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                                          @ChrisA
                                          Thanks, I‘ve seen your posts where you explain your „rest HR“ trick to get sleep tracking working. I first thought you are doing it wrong but now I think SA is wrongly presenting the min. HR so prominently in a dashboard widget and thus putting some users on the wrong track! Also @Egika explained how to determine rest HR in a meeting above. That is what I thought was rest HR, too.

                                          I think the SA is in general really good with the analysis it offers, but the rest HR only might indicate something about overall current health (higher min. HR could mean recovering from training or getting ill), nothing else. I need to study the articles on suunto.com (just read https://www.suunto.com/de-de/sports/News-Articles-container-page/Figure-out-your-training-zones-and-supercharge-your-fitness/).

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                                            ChrisA Platinum Member @Mauerwegler
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                                            @Mauerwegler said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                                            @ChrisA
                                            Thanks, I‘ve seen your posts where you explain your „rest HR“ trick to get sleep tracking working.

                                            Actually I learned it here in the forum - don’t know exactly from who, I think it was @Brad_Olwin but I am maybe wrong, I learned so much here 🙂. But I agree with you on the terminology of resting HR and I don’t know for sure, if what I am doing is the right thing, it works for me, so I do it this way.

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