aerobic decoupling
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Normalized power is for calculating your overall effort. Not useful in testing of aerobic threshold. If you go to a lab, they will tell you never, i mean not even for a second to stop pedaling. This is why aerobic threshold tests are not really valid if you do 30min effort then pause 2 minutes then resume. Your anaerobic or oxygen debt or epoc will be refilled and whole teat goes into trash bin. Just go to any lab and ask. They will tell you you need nearly constant effort for 60min to get a valid test.
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@Mads-Hintz-Madsen Thank you for testing!
Aerobic decoupling app doesn’t use normalized power, it currently uses 5 minute rolling average of power and HR values for calculating decoupling value (for cycling). This is also the value shown in Suunto app graph.
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@Raimo-Järvi Thanks for clarifying!
How is the final decoupling value (listed in the summary) calculated? Is that calculation using the average power and average heartrate over the entire activity (excluding warmup/baseline periods)?
In the Suunto App graph, there is an average decoupling value which is different from the final decoupling value. I assume that this average then is the average of the rolling 5-minute decoupling values.
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@Mads-Hintz-Madsen “Final decoupling” is value from last 5 minutes. I guess the name is not very descriptive, app description in SuuntoPlus store should also be updated.
Suunto app graph calculates average of all values during the workout, in this case the values are decoupling values from rolling 5 min average. And since the graph includes 10 min warmup and 10 min baseline calculation, those zero values are included in the average. I guess first 20 minutes should not be included in data, or in calculating the average
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@Raimo-Järvi said in aerobic decoupling:
And since the graph includes 10 min warmup and 10 min baseline calculation, those zero values are included in the average. I guess first 20 minutes should not be included in data, or in calculating the average
I agree.
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I have been using S+ aerobic decoupling for my running and walking activities and everything works as expected…
however, it seems that for the nordic walking and treadmill activities it does not work, i.e. if you activate it, start the activity, as soon as you select the aerobic decoupling page the watch displays a warning:power not available, pair power sensor for measurements.
I know that power is used when it is available, but otherwise pace is used, so if I am not missing something it should work.
or not?
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@robis Power or pace is used according to activity type. Power is used for example for cycling, but it should not be used for nordic walking. We will fix it, thank you for reporting it.
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@Brad_Olwin Can you please explain this a little more?
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@wakarimasen If I am maintaining aerobic metabolism below my aerobic threshold the S+ app will show good or a green number. If I an going too hard it will show red in real time.
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Thanks @Brad_Olwin - that’s clear. Does this depend on the heart rate established during the reference period? I tried this app during a walk earlier in the week and saw negative and positive percentage values following the baseline being established.
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@Brad_Olwin said in aerobic decoupling:
@wakarimasen If I am maintaining aerobic metabolism below my aerobic threshold the S+ app will show good or a green number. If I an going too hard it will show red in real time.
Assuming that entire run (including base evaluation time) has a constant grade. Else, not really because math and stuff.
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I can’t get this S+ app to work properly on my S9B. I tried it when it was first introduced and then didn’t use it for long. Now I’m experiencing all kinds of issues with it. First I wasn’t able to activate it on the watch (when I tried to select it, the selection reverted to ‘none’). Then after a soft reset I could activate it, but had a crash during the run. Tried to reinstall the S+ app, then also the suunto app on my phone, but still have issues. Now I can select it, but the S+ screen is blank (while other S+ apps’ screen isn’t). Anyone else having issues?
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I recently ran into this problem. Sometimes the GPS behaves strangely for known or unknown reasons (probably because I was under a 380kV power line…), and as shown in the image, where the speed suddenly went from ~7 to ~23 km/h (and then later from 7 to 14km/h) for several seconds, the decoupling recording was compromised. Can anything be done to filter out these spikes in the S+ app?