What do you expect from the next update?

maszop

@Stefan-Kersting This is not a 500m view because there are no contour lines in that view in Suunto anymore. The current maps in this case are just a gray background, like the breadcrumb from 9PP and earlier models.
Turn off this useless ruler in this case and on the left you will have a number that symbolizes the zoom level. In my example, there is 500m from the older version of the maps, before the removal of these contours.

Stefan Kersting

@maszop I like this ruler very much and don’t want to miss it so, I did as you said. I’m excited to hear what you’re saying now.

maszop

@Stefan-Kersting These are the old maps, these contour lines no longer exist.

I like ruler too, but a ruler is not needed now when talking about contour lines.

Stefan Kersting

@maszop apparently they exist. No photoshop, I promise

Egika

sometimes there are contour lines in the 500m zoom level.
Had them myself when playing around with zoom levels for some time.
maybe sometimes a 200m cached view is used when switching to 500m or so.

maszop

@Egika It looks like it was actually 200m. The view from 500m is a bit different.

Egika

whatever it looks like - there is a possibility to see contour lines at 500m zoom level.
And yes - this is not the standard.
and yes again: I’d be happy to see them back again for 500m zoom too

Stefan Kersting

@maszop all right, I did an effort and took a screenshot of the topo map for this area. See also the same area in 200 m scale.

maszop

@Stefan-Kersting Well, as you can see in this picture, 200 m is sometimes not enough in the mountains to properly see the terrain.
With a view of 500m-1km do contour lines give a more clear image of the slope.

Stefan Kersting

@maszop no problem, as you can see I have the 500 m contour lines If you want I can show you the 1 km contour lines, too

Fenr1r

@Stefan-Kersting said in What do you expect from the next update?:

If you want I can show you the 1 km contour lines, too

Bring 'em on. Let’s see what’s possible.

Stefan Kersting

@Fenr1r @maszop here we go

maszop

@Stefan-Kersting It was like that until December (until “temporary” removal). I myself have some older maps with contour lines that I simply haven’t updated. Which was visible in my earlier photo.

As you can see, they are very clear and readable and it is logical that there is something to complain about.

Fenr1r

@Stefan-Kersting Grrrrgh. Is KOMO (Knowledge Of Missing Out) a thing?

Thanks.

Do you have other Norwegian map areas downloaded, also with 1km zoom?

I’m wondering what Suunto’s map detail criteria are.

Stefan Kersting

@Fenr1r just Nordland, Troms and Finnmark

Todd Danielczyk

@Stefan-Kersting said in What do you expect from the next update?:

…When on a hike and several days in the mountains you have to use a old school map…

geologist has entered the chat

This is 100% accurate. I love the fact the maps can zoom out now and if I’m in back country I WOULD NEVER be without a paper map and compass. The mapping on the watch would always be in addition to, never a full replacement.

Redundancy is key to survival.

Stefan Kersting

@Todd-Danielczyk how many likes is it possible to give on this response best regards, geographer

Todd Danielczyk

@Stefan-Kersting said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Todd-Danielczyk how many likes is it possible to give on this response best regards, geographer

See, I knew I liked you for a reason!

Our backgrounds require us to be friends (but I also really love the photos you take and your EPIC adventures, so there is that!)

Stefan Kersting

@Todd-Danielczyk little bit off topic with passion for geosciences and maps

slurpnik

I was out in Chamonix this week and missed this conversation on contour lines - luckily I have an example to contribute

This week I climbed Mont Blanc via Trois Monts route. We left Cosmiques 1am for a nice early alpine start, conditions were great. On the slope of Mont Maudit though, we went up little more to the left in the direction of the peak, not the col. I checked the watch, realized we’re probably steering way too much to the left and after short discussion we corrected. Yay, points for Vertical!

…except it was not so easy. At 200m zoom level all I saw was that we’re in the middle of the slope. At 500m all I saw was a dotted line from OSM where the route likely goes, and that we’re somewhat to the left of it. As everyone knows, navigating on glaciated slope in this exact situation by blindly following a breadcrumb trail is very stupid and a sure path to danger, so I was not keen to make many decisions based on it.

If there were contour lines at 500m zoom, it would have been a two second glance on the watch to realize where the peak is and where the col is given contour lines. That’s really what I feel everyone is asking for in terms of user experience from an adventure watch. Instead it was faff to figure it out.

@Stefan-Kersting some maps still have those contour lines at higher zoom levels - I’ve seen it myself. I am very happy for you that you have them for maps you care about, but vast majority of the maps don’t. I also think those of us who’ve experienced contours at 500m saw that responsiveness of the UI with contour is not much of an issue (mine were fairly usable at 2km zoom as well, which is unnecessary TBH).

@dreamer_ I agree with your arguments. I would propose that contour lines at higher zoom levels on the adventure watch - Vertical (accepting less responsive UI if that’s the price), and no contour lines with super responsive maps for the trail running watch - Race - would make the most sense. However I understand how negatively that division might be viewed, but IMHO trail running usecases are limiting the potential of SV.