Ressources in Vertical /how does it works?

Sascha Domres

Sorry if this topic has already been covered. Unfortunately I don’t really understand how this works. When I wake up, I’m always about 70% (with 8 hours of sleep) after that I do 5 minutes of sit-ups. Ressources drop to about 30% after that? I also find it strange that I’ve never been at 100%?

zhang965

@Sascha-Domres said in Ressources in Vertical /how does it works?:

Sorry if this topic has already been covered. Unfortunately I don’t really understand how this works. When I wake up, I’m always about 70% (with 8 hours of sleep) after that I do 5 minutes of sit-ups. Ressources drop to about 30% after that? I also find it strange that I’ve never been at 100%?

It’s a black box algorithm, so we don’t know how it works.

But normally your body ressource is calculated with your HRV and/or your rest HR,

If you set your rest HR too low, you will never get 100% body ressource.

dombo

@zhang965 it would be great, if resting HR can be identified watch itself or at least report, if what is set does not look correct.

Egika

@dombo right. And this idea has aleady found it way to Suunto product managers some time ago.

GiPFELKiND

@Egika i asked suunto Support the vertical, the 9P the 9PP And the 9 Baro dont have HRV. If the function will come noone knows this… Garmin buyed some years before the HRV Option from FirstBeat. Dont know if suunto will make own HRV measurement

Sascha Domres

@zhang965 thank you… but i don t understand why it falls down so fast after a short Activity…

Sascha Domres

@zhang965 Hi, now I still have an understanding question… is the resting heart rate the same as the minimum heart rate? my app shows me a 7-day average of 50… my max heart rate is 192 and my age 47 weight is 78kg… that’s how I set it on my watch… maybe I misunderstood something? I have the impression that the ressource calculation is not correct at all 🤪

zhang965

@Sascha-Domres said in Ressources in Vertical /how does it works?:

@zhang965 thank you… but i don t understand why it falls down so fast after a short Activity…

Hi, now I still have an understanding question… is the resting heart rate the same as the minimum heart rate? my app shows me a 7-day average of 50… my max heart rate is 192 and my age 47 weight is 78kg… that’s how I set it on my watch… maybe I misunderstood something? I have the impression that the ressource calculation is not correct at all 🤪

At first, never an algorithm is perfect, normally, if it works for 80% of population it’s great, you and me we are both in the 20%, our HR moves faster then other persons.

the best way it’s to do a lab test to find your rest HR and your MAX HR, but we might don’t get that condition.

and if you ask me what is your rest/max HR, I don’t think it’s a good approche, you should know yourself, you should know if you are good rest or not.

When i use Ambit3, my reset score is only 21%, but I can feel myself is fully recoved.

mikekoski490

@Sascha-Domres said in Ressources in Vertical /how does it works?:

is the resting heart rate the same as the minimum heart rate?

No, not really.

Resting heart rate = Your resting heart rate, or pulse, is the number of times your heart beats per minute when you are at rest — such as when you are relaxed, sitting or lying down.

Minimum heart rate = During sleep, it is normal for a person’s heart rate to slow down below the range for a typical resting heart rate. Between 40 to 50 beats per minute (bpm) is considered an average sleeping heart rate for adults, though this can vary depending on multiple factors

SuperFlo75

@mikekoski490 I think you are right, but Suunto gives the advice to choose the minimum HR at Night as resting HR… but this is not correct…

mikekoski490

@SuperFlo75 Oh. I was just doing the strict definitions. No, I would definitely not apply my minimum during sleep as a resting HR value. I would more look at what my average sleep HR is, so yes Suunto is not correct there.

Last night for example, my Average sleep = 53 (which is about right) vs my Minimum sleep = 49

Sascha Domres

@zhang965 Hey thanks for your reply. I was more concerned with the terminology. Resting Heart Rate and Minimum Average Heart Rate. Should that be the same, the minimum heart rate in my case is actually still below 50 because it is only an average of the last 7 days. However, if resting heart rate means the frequency that is measured, for example, when sitting without stress and strain, that is certainly a different value. Then I would have to set the clock differently… But I agree with you that you should listen to your body and not to an algorithm Thanks again for your assessment

SuperFlo75

@mikekoski490 yes, that‘s what I did. This sounds plausible for me…

zhang965

@Sascha-Domres said in Ressources in Vertical /how does it works?:

@zhang965 Hey thanks for your reply. I was more concerned with the terminology. Resting Heart Rate and Minimum Average Heart Rate. Should that be the same, the minimum heart rate in my case is actually still below 50 because it is only an average of the last 7 days. However, if resting heart rate means the frequency that is measured, for example, when sitting without stress and strain, that is certainly a different value. Then I would have to set the clock differently… But I agree with you that you should listen to your body and not to an algorithm Thanks again for your assessment

Resting Heart Rate and Minimum Average Heart Rate are not the same, you should use your rest HR which is when you are awake as your minimum HR.

Sascha Domres

@mikekoski490 thanks for the clarification… then I have to adjust the value in my watch… however then the minimum heart rate value is not really useful in the app. What could the value be interesting for…

Sascha Domres

@SuperFlo75 ok, really? Suunto says so? really the minimum heart rate? Interesting… then I would have actually set the watch correctly…

wmichi

It doesn’t matter what you enter for your resting HR. The resources feature has some bugs. If you do a light activity resources can even drop from 100% to 0%. But it seems that Suunto will move away from FirstBeat later this year. Then this might be fixed (or the feature completely removed/replaced by something else).

mikekoski490

@Sascha-Domres said in Ressources in Vertical /how does it works?:

@mikekoski490 thanks for the clarification… then I have to adjust the value in my watch… however then the minimum heart rate value is not really useful in the app. What could the value be interesting for…

Measurements are useful when looking at trends over time for me and basing your min/max values against those trends.

If I’m getting sick or overtraining, sometimes I don’t always feel anything obvious, but if my heart rate values start to go up over a few nights its something I want to pay attention to and adjust training and rest accordingly.

Ive noticed if Im getting bad sleeps or overtrained, my minimum HR while sleeping starts trending up. Ive seen my minimum be as high as 54, and average resting HR while sleeping at 58. This just happened last week, and on the weekend realized I had caught a cold.

Sascha Domres

@mikekoski490 okay verstehe! Vielen Dank für deine Erklärung

Sascha Domres

@mikekoski490 okay I see! Thank you for your explanation