Suunto Vertical is here

Luís Pinto

Suunto Vertical (rapid thoughts):

(+)

comfortable;
size of screen and fonts;
battery;
HW more fast even connection to app;
dual GNSS frequency provides the best tracks i’ve ever seen. Lovely! Simple reason?
maps (very well implemented taking into account the size of a watch’s screen).

(-)

just minor bugs.

EzioAuditore

@Luís-Pinto
My thoughts:

Pros:

literaly everything;

Cons:

Bike OHR (the rest activities are quite good, and by bike I mean very easy commuting not MB or Gravel - still have not tested those)

Ketoohs

@Hristijan-Petreski weight lifting is similar to bike. Very low OHR.

Otherwise the OHR for me is almost perfect, but did not have problems with 9p or Spartan either. Bit of a luck I guess.

EzioAuditore

@Ketoohs Yes its too low for me as well while biking. At some points ~70 beats lower when you are pushing. And once you drive more calmly it tries to catch up but again still too low. Which is weird since if you attribute this to the wrists being pushed is not valid since while core training I have no problem and I am driving my Gravel bike which does not require me to push my wrists.

Tieutieu

@Walter-Samuel said in Suunto Vertical is here:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Music in the watch is required by a large number of people.

Nope. Those who want music in the watch don’t buy or shouldn’t buy suunto’s.

If I want music my phone is much more efficient.

I choose Suunto.

Dusan DDD

Hi,
How is the vibration on SV vs the S9PP, or Fenix 7? Is it more noisy, or more haptic?

freeheeler

@Dusan-DDD
it’s similar noticeable but doesn’t rattle as much as S9PP. it feels more solid

lessthanmore

@Walter-Samuel said in Suunto Vertical is here:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Music in the watch is required by a large number of people. There is internal memory in the watch, so it would just be a software setting. Coros and Garmin have music.

I’d not say it is required, it might be nice to have though.
But you know that in advance of your purchase.
If music has a high priority for you you should buy Garmin, Coros, Apple, etc.
It’s that simple. I’m not buying a product and complain about something that is well known.
I have a fenix 7sss. On a 15k run with music and OHR it drains appr. 40-50%. But I also have my phone with me at the same time, at least on long runs.

mikekoski490

@lessthanmore said in Suunto Vertical is here:

If music has a high priority for you you should buy Garmin, Coros, Apple, etc.
It’s that simple. I’m not buying a product and complain about something that is well known.

Well said.

SuperFlo75

I think there is no music player needed! It‘s possible to take the phone and ear buds to listen to music!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@lessthanmore but why would you then use the watch for music ? Honest question.

Egika

@Hristijan-Petreski I found that I need to fasten the strap on the Vertical a little more than on S9PP.
If it stays put during vibrations OHR will improve!

lessthanmore

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I could run only with my watch and headphones, free like a bird
Especially during summer I do not wear a vest or jacket with pockets. So, if I want to listen to Music I have to carry my phone in my hand which is a bit cumbersome.
My iPhone is heavy, it pulls my pants down.

Walter Samuel

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I had Suunto 5 (absolute satisfaction), then Garmin Fenix 6x. Garmin died in two months. Never more. The new Suunto Vertical will arrive tomorrow.

It’s up to everyone, I can do without music too, but it would be nice to play it from the watch.

Sorry for the question, but it was not meant badly.

lexterm77

@lessthanmore

I don’t care about music but podcasts catch up during training is a time saver for me especially when new Uphill Athlete podcast comes out. I can apply what they say in the podcast as I am running.

EzioAuditore

@lessthanmore That’s why you buy a second phone like the mini the greatest size of phone for sport people. Fits in every pocket in those running shorts with small pocket made for… keys?!

@lessthanmore said in Suunto Vertical is here:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I could run only with my watch and headphones, free like a bird
Especially during summer I do not wear a vest or jacket with pockets. So, if I want to listen to Music I have to carry my phone in my hand which is a bit cumbersome.
My iPhone is heavy, it pulls my pants down.

I guess it was on this forum that someone showed this. Amazing https://mightyaudio.eu/
Personally I have an old iPod shuffle , not as sophisticated but does the job. Don’t want my phone with me while running. Personally I never used that on my watch. And from all complaints I see on garmin forum with itches with Bluetooth audio, don’t want to try it either

MiniForklift

@lessthanmore said in Suunto Vertical is here:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I could run only with my watch and headphones, free like a bird
Especially during summer I do not wear a vest or jacket with pockets. So, if I want to listen to Music I have to carry my phone in my hand which is a bit cumbersome.
My iPhone is heavy, it pulls my pants down.

I always use one of these when I run

waist pack.jpg

This particular one that I’ve had now for a couple of years stays put and has enough pockets for gels, key, phone etc. Kind of a necessity for longer training and races that I enjoy

gone troppo

What I have found so far for optical hr as others mentioned the strap needs to be tight, for me almost uncomfortable tight.

The good it works perfect for indoor bike 100% accurate I believe this is because there is no wrist movement.

The bad it’s all over the place for gym, and for trail running (vertical kilometre) for me and I think it’s due to wrist movement. When going uphill I use my hands on my quads to push to generate more power I think this throw it out just like lifting weights.

I need to do more confirmation with some flat walks but from what I have seen the more still you can keep it the more accurate it is, overall though a strap is still required for me.

Unfortunately even the “gold standard” H10 for me fails 100% when descending down 1000m for some reason. It can also fail going up but much less often, works about 99% of time on indoor bike and maybe 90% of time on treadmill. It often glitches and “zeros” out or gets stuck on numbers 30-60bpm below where it should be. Despite many reviews claiming this is the gold standard if you do some further searching on the “reddit” forums etc you will find many people with same issues as me often after 45-60min of excercise it start glitching. I have had 2 under warranty both do the same thing.

The only hr Montior that is 100% bomb proof for me no glitches or hr drop outs is the ancient polar ft4 model this is my gold standard to test against always reliable unfortunately it doesn’t Bluetooth to modern watches.

lessthanmore

@André-Faria said in Suunto Vertical is here:

@lessthanmore said in Suunto Vertical is here:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I could run only with my watch and headphones, free like a bird
Especially during summer I do not wear a vest or jacket with pockets. So, if I want to listen to Music I have to carry my phone in my hand which is a bit cumbersome.
My iPhone is heavy, it pulls my pants down.

I guess it was on this forum that someone showed this. Amazing https://mightyaudio.eu/
Personally I have an old iPod shuffle , not as sophisticated but does the job. Don’t want my phone with me while running. Personally I never used that on my watch. And from all complaints I see on garmin forum with itches with Bluetooth audio, don’t want to try it either

That’s totally fine as you have different requirements than others. You simply do not use the functionality of your FR965.
I personally never had any issue with my fenix 7 and Spotify. If you rely on the forums you might also think the Vertical is buggy but it’s not, at least not for me.
As I said, I do not request music on the SV, but I certainly would not complain either if it would be possible.
In the end Suunto wants and needs to make money and having music on the watch might lead to a bigger group of buyers.
And buying an iPhone Mini or mighty are good options but imagine you could just put your ear buds in, select the playlist/ podcast and start running