Suunto 9 Peak Pro?
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@BinoWorld-UK said in Suunto 9 Peak Pro?:
@aroo7 it would be nice if they also surprised us with some decent updates for the older watches, they need to keep up with the competition. Garmin is pushing updates and beta like mad atm!!
I also have a Wahoo Elemnt Rival in addition to my S9B, that usually gets some type of update at least every couple of weeks and they’re normally pretty decent ones too
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@MiniForklift @BinoWorld-UK Rather then send out alpha and beta versions as Garmin does, Suunto uses a fairly extensive and diverse group of field testers to find bugs. Not saying one is better than the other but after having an Epix 2 for over six months, a lot of the bugs reported to Garmin are user-specific issues and not bugs. So, Garmin has to sort through them and figure out which ones are pervasive and which ones are not. That takes a lot of effort.
The fieldtest approach, while not perfect eliminates 99% of the bugs, leaving a small set for the consumer.
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@Brad_Olwin that’s a great way of approving the topic of bugs…… what about the lack of added features by Suunto on many forgotten watches. Are they aware of market shift due to lack of updates to their devices? I have owned like you many brands and I must admit Suunto is the slowest and the least enthusiastic compnay when it comes to innovation and desire to improve and add additional features to the Suunto line up.
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Yo dude, you can found an old topic we discussed on these testers.
For me , find the next generation testers, it’s a big challenge for Suunto,
Oh my god, Where did they found these … corny cocky testers… Suunto must to wipe them off.
Everytime you ask a new feature, they will jump to your eyes and saying "no I don’t need that!! I’m A ultra Sporter! Listen to me! Or I’ll cry!! "
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@BinoWorld-UK said in Suunto 9 Peak Pro?:
@Brad_Olwin that’s a great way of approving the topic of bugs…… what about the lack of added features by Suunto on many forgotten watches. Are they aware of market shift due to lack of updates to their devices? I have owned like you many brands and I must admit Suunto is the slowest and the least enthusiastic compnay when it comes to innovation and desire to improve and add additional features to the Suunto line up.
Maybe Suunto find their niche market/users that prefer simple watches and more stability. It’s the only answer that can come up to my mind.
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@Brad_Olwin I would agree that such an approach would be really great for some of us , but it seems that this is not always the case . For instance the current version of S9P has some really annoying bugs (reported in this forum) and by not getting updated for bug fixes for so long, We (some users) get the impression that the company is not following this.
I am not following or liking the features race of some of other vendors but it is really annoying and demoralizing to not having fixes to well known critical issues that may reset your activity , crash the watch or record random data (eg Ows). My point is that updating the firmware with bug fixes on a regular and known basis is a huge plus for the user base .
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@BinoWorld-UK tbh suunto still releases features to 4yo+ watch, I wonder if Garmin still pushes updates to Fenix 5.
I would have loved even more feature to be released, just so that the watch feels fresh, but I think suunto+ features and guides were kind of great updates and the app keeps improving as well. -
My two cents. I rather stay with a watch that does not become unusable because of new functions requiring better hardware to be functional than having all the new and being forced to replace my watch, as it happens so often with other tech items. To be honest, the only time I have been really angry with suunto was when they removed functionalities form A3P in the transition to the App. I am OK now, but I could have stayed perfectly fine with my A3P if wireless sync was preserved. Maybe it is because I am a very basic user or I bought the watch with some specific things in mind.
The bugs thing is quite different in my opinión. Although the bugs I found are really really rare and do not dramatically affect the use of the wathc in my case.
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@DMytro said in Suunto 9 Peak Pro?:
@BinoWorld-UK tbh suunto still releases features to 4yo+ watch, I wonder if Garmin still pushes updates to Fenix 5.
I would have loved even more feature to be released, just so that the watch feels fresh, but I think suunto+ features and guides were kind of great updates and the app keeps improving as well.
I think the correct comparison would be the 5plus, both launched in 2018. And if so, yes still new updates and featuresDon’t want to sound harsh, but the fenix 5 plus already had more features from the beginning than the Suunto 9. Maps for example.
Also on Garmin’s defense, you have a 20 year old watch and it still connects online (I had garmin swim 1 for example). On my side this gives me confidence on the brand.
I often see here opinions that it seems that today, garmin or others, when implement features it is a life of crashes.
I think we are not in the old times. Often a reset solves it. And from what I see , the Suunto times after the ambit 3 are full of them also…
I think we can’t blame Suunto, they were always like this , not much openness , cautious on what do they get out. The only thing (on my opinion) is that before the other players were much worse on stability/offer or features. Now they aren’t.
But they should have their business model ok because after all this years they are here and they are bringing new stuff for their users and they seem somehow be happy about it (let’s not forget the days that movescount crashed quite a lot, that movescount app was a pain and Suunto app was no good). I think they are on the good way. If enough to people put their money ? Only each knows and they should know also
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@André-Faria sure, f5 had some features that s9 still doesn’t have, but the latest beta you’ve sent had almost exclusively the bug fixes, while s9 is getting some beefy updates.
I’m just saying, it’s nice to see thats suunto supports semi-old watches. As for which brand is better/more loyal/etc, I leave it for everyone to decide for themselves.
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@André-Faria yes it had more features, but worse GPS, altimeter, and battery life than the S9. Oh and let’s not talk about the issue with the Bluetooth and ANT+ antenna that would disconnect all the time (it’s even in the comments in Ray’s reviews). Also, only the more expensive F5X had maps. But the S9 is a newer watch, so comparison is not fair anyway. I had both F5S and F5, it wasn’t a great watch, I sold the s and send the normal unit back to Amazon for a refund.
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@BinoWorld-UK I do not know how decisions are made regarding features but the SuuntoPlus Guides have a tremendous flexibility and allow Suunto to customize features and provide flexibility that they did not have before. The S7 was an interesting experiment, the development produced an end product that Suunto considered finished I guess.
As for comparing with competitors, I think the map implementation on the S7 is better than any other. I bought and used an Epix 2 for ~8 months, did several races with it and eventually sold it. There were too many issues that I did not like. Having maps is nice but on a small screen they are less useful than I imagined. Using maps on the Garmin seriously reduces battery estimates as well. So there are trade offs using maps, they also reduce battery life on the S7 if a route is loaded.
Suunto does add requested features as I have stated before. They may not implement them as you might expect. For example, myself and many others requested offline syncing for Ambits. We got offline syncing but not the way we expected, it came with the transition to a mobile app and the introduction of the Spartan line.
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@Brad_Olwin I have to agree with you the S7 mapping capabilities on that quality screen is the best however, the S7 hasn’t received a single additional feature since the release. No suunto plus or virtual partner…
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@BinoWorld-UK I do think Suunto considers the S7 as an Apple Watch equivalent and not a dedicated sport watch. Hence, no Guides, Ghost Runner, etc. For this type of watch the sports features are equivalent or better than competitors. If an updates comes, I would expect different hardware.
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The best thing about s7 is the screen and I still waiting for a new Suunto watch with a amoled screen
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@isazi The whole Ant+ thing is still an issue with Garmin. In order for me to use external sensors like the STRYD foot pod, I have to use my Suunto 9 Baro because it has a way better connection via Bluetooth. I literally disconnected my STRYD from Garmin because it was always behind. STRYD also seems to make excuses for Garmin in this regard and they refuse to disclose any information as to why the connection with Garmin products is so bad. They literally tell you not to connect to Garmin via Bluetooth. Garmin’s Bluetooth connection is apparently useless. Suunto may not have a ton of features, but it works the way I need it to work…every time. My only complaint with Suunto is the terrible OHR and the lag. Other than that it’s a reliable product.
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In next days, someone will explain you Suunto has the best ohr, it’s parfait for himself, blablabla
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@zhang965
OHR in S9B is basically useless (for me, my opinion).
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@freeheeler btw, after I changed to an elastic hook and loop strap, my ohr improved by much. Not to say its good, but not terrible. So I use ohr for the activities where I care little about instant HR and more so about the average. I coud indeed get rid of huge spikes and drops and cadence lock, so I’m satisfied.
