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    Number of downhill runs in alpine skiing

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    • freeheelerF Offline
      freeheeler @nseslija
      last edited by freeheeler

      @nseslija
      I did a small test recently and could not see a reasonable pattern… I did one decent without any bigger climbs that S9B with its 3m threshold would recognize and it showed 3 runs.
      The theory that a longer pause might not be right either as I did a lot of quite similar pauses to get the fire out of my legs

      https://www.suunto.com/move/skiingone/603a4763d03bd02037ba863d

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      • Mff73M Offline
        Mff73 @freeheeler
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        @freeheeler
        do you see that in QS, there seems only to be 2 laps (descents) vs 3 in the SA ?
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        • freeheelerF Offline
          freeheeler @Mff73
          last edited by

          @mff73
          and the sum is not the total duration

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            nseslija Bronze Member @freeheeler
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            @freeheeler I only see one descent there… I must say that I didn’t experience such a behavior with the watch… Did you feel vibration when the watch started a new interval during your descent?
            I can feel the vibration almost every time, and it is when I start to descent, and when the ascent starts on the chairlift.

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            • freeheelerF Offline
              freeheeler @nseslija
              last edited by

              @nseslija
              I rarely feel it. It’s only when I pay attention when I enter or leave the chairlift station. I never notice the unwanted descent count vibration

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              • MdzOttM Offline
                MdzOtt @MdzOtt
                last edited by

                @mdzott here is the link to the activity: https://www.suunto.com/move/marekdziedzic/6037d336cdd3874e077c7966

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                • MdzOttM Offline
                  MdzOtt @MdzOtt
                  last edited by

                  @mdzott In the activity i just posted, the total descent is ~3800 m, whereas, when you count the runs, it should be around ~2500 m.

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                  • freeheelerF Offline
                    freeheeler @MdzOtt
                    last edited by

                    @mdzott
                    I see 2’868m descent… it’s about alright.
                    but 62 runs… hmmm…

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                    • MdzOttM Offline
                      MdzOtt @freeheeler
                      last edited by

                      @freeheeler when i looked at the SA, there were multiple runs of 2 m, 3 m etc. It seems that it counted every single step i took waiting in line to the chair.

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                      • freeheelerF Offline
                        freeheeler @MdzOtt
                        last edited by

                        @mdzott
                        possible, not good and not logic with the threshold… but only the dev teams knows 🙄

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                        • MdzOttM Offline
                          MdzOtt @freeheeler
                          last edited by

                          @freeheeler when you look at the move on the web site, it shows only 0.5 km laps. On the SA it shows “downhills” - I assume runs. The first few are fine, then it starts showing 0 m length, 5 m descent for 5-6 “runs” and then a longer one. Somehow the logic has failed the watch.

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                          • freeheelerF Offline
                            freeheeler @MdzOtt
                            last edited by freeheeler

                            @mdzott
                            did you use the famouse lock button?

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                            • MdzOttM Offline
                              MdzOtt @freeheeler
                              last edited by

                              @freeheeler I did. I have to under the jacket. What am i missing here?

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                              • freeheelerF Offline
                                freeheeler @MdzOtt
                                last edited by

                                @mdzott
                                nothing… I have the impression the ski mode simply does not work properly

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                                • MdzOttM Offline
                                  MdzOtt @freeheeler
                                  last edited by

                                  @freeheeler The development team could use the code that is available for Ambit 3 (and 2), as “Downhill Counter, Max speed, Distance”. It works like a charm. And the code is almost trivially simple.

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                                  • freeheelerF Offline
                                    freeheeler @MdzOtt
                                    last edited by

                                    @mdzott
                                    for us developers it is more entertaining to re-invent the wheel 😉

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                                      surfboomerang @freeheeler
                                      last edited by

                                      @freeheeler Then why is Stackoverflow so popular? 😉

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                                      • MdzOttM Offline
                                        MdzOtt
                                        last edited by MdzOtt

                                        I am resuscitating this old topic - the new season, some of the same problems.

                                        I started skiing again and the number of runs is still a problem. It has improved dramatically (SA adds a couple of runs, and they are quite legitimate (e.g., a short run to the chairlift).

                                        The latest issue is how the activity is passed from Suunto to Strava. I thought it might be a Strava issue, but their response is that “if the platform with which the activity was recorded passes a number of runs, Strava will take it at its face value. If there is no such number, Strava will calculate it internally”. So it seems that Suunto is counting the runs in a strange way.

                                        For example, the last time, SA reported 21 runs (https://www.sports-tracker.com/workout/marekdziedzic/63a0950e27a4974d2657ebe4), but Strava shows 43 runs. It seems that Suunto is passing some other number (some other variable) as the number of runs.

                                        As we discussed before, this is not a huge issue, but possibly, this could be fixed. And as mentioned before, the Ambit 3 (and 2) reported these numbers correctly.

                                        Btw. the total descent is much closer now, so I am not complaining.

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                                        • northeast_trekkerN Offline
                                          northeast_trekker Bronze Member @MdzOtt
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                                          @MdzOtt seems odd that SA would be able to know the correct run count but then Suunto would be storing a bogus number in the “supported” run count field - seems like this number includes the auto laps and how those segment the activity up artifically. I wish that Strava either allowed user to “correct” lap count like you can with elevation and override with their calculated run count with an algorithm based value.

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                                            Umer Javed @MdzOtt
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                                            @MdzOtt said in Number of downhill runs in alpine skiing:

                                            …“if the platform with which the activity was recorded passes a number of runs, Strava will take it at its face value. If there is no such number, Strava will calculate it internally”. So it seems that Suunto is counting the runs in a strange way.

                                            Have you tried looking at the GPX or FIT file, do you note any count of runs written into it?

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