Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021
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@André-Faria
You’ll have to sum that up. 45 minutes of Ray, ewww. But I can probably guess what he’s going to say. I’ve been saying here for awhile in the face of what Suunto is focused on. -
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@chrish said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
What annoys me most about the last 2 years has been features getting released that are questionably useful and just total fluff. Like my Spartan all of a sudden asking me after I stop an activity ‘how to you feel’. WTF. Who cares. How about my GPS watch telling me how to get from point A to point B first. My backpacking buddy or a passer-by can ask me how I feel when I start vomiting.
I am going to respond here. First, you can get from pt A to pt B on you watch if you wish. It can be done with POIs or a loaded route, how you feel can be used usefully. I use it for RPE, which according to some is the most accurate method to judge the severity of a workout.
It’s just maddening to see such a great product and product concept go this direction. And to have Suunto claim they are asking for user input here and in surveys. No way they are getting a satistically significant number of responses to make any legitimately GOOD decisions. Build what you advertised for and leave the rest on the cutting room floor until the core product is working.
So, provide your feedback in surveys but take note that not everyone may agree with you. In fact, maybe you are in the minority. Second, I doubt you know how many survey responses are recorded.
It’s a GPS watch for athletes, adventure seekers, outdoors, meh kinda indoors. Seems to me the priority, and not that hard you stop what you are doing and fix it. Then move back to the other stuff. But evidently not…
So, which watch are you using? My suunto9 baro provides routes, waypoints, hr, elevation data, recovery time, PTE, and more. I may not be an athlete but I do trail runs often that are 30k to 50k outdoors, off trail, and alone. Wish you had my watch, it is great for my activities.
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How do you get a POI onto any Suunto device with SA? How long has SA been out?
How do you enter a POI directly on the watch in the field without a laptop on ANY Suunto watch other than an Ambit or Traverse? How long has the Spartan/S series product line been out?
How do you get route elevation data onto an Ambit or Traverse? How long has this bug existed?
How do you get a route onto ANY Suunto watch without internet connectivity? Yes, this one has never been possible, just pointing out the lack of what should be a simple feature.
I’ve said all along that I’m an outlier. Backpacker and hiker. No debate there. But us outliers have had existing functionality removed and major bugs not fixed for nearly 2 years now. Are you saying that there is an app/watch combination right now that offers the same capability I had with my Ambit and MC from 2 years back?
BTW, you asked which watch. I’m still running an A3P. But I’ve owned a Vertical and Spartan WHR Baro. Dumped the Baro when it became clear that Suunto was never going to build the features into it that the A3P had and then started down this path w/ SA that was clear that it was going to hobble the Baro for an extended period of time possibly. Sold it while I could still get a few bucks for it. Should the S9 get POI mgmt from SA, it’s a strong contender, esp w/ this latest bearing lock addition.
You said I didn’t know how many surveys were completed. Agreed. But there were 2 sentences there. Are you saying that if they get, let’s pick a number, 100,000 responses that say they should build X, that then they should just not deliver capability that was included in marketing materials and user manuals now that they are dumping an entire platform.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
I am going to respond here. First, you can get from pt A to pt B on you watch if you wish. It can be done with POIs or a loaded route, how you feel can be used usefully. I use it for RPE, which according to some is the most accurate method to judge the severity of a workout.
It can currently be done with routes and POI’s, although the route creation is junk (for me) in the App, and degraded in MC (altitude profile). POIs can’t be done in the App yet and time will tell what solution they provide, but given their recent bias towards the fitness rather than nav market I won’t hold my breath as to how user friendly or useful it will be.
So, provide your feedback in surveys but take note that not everyone may agree with you. In fact, maybe you are in the minority.
So what if we’re in the minority? We bought a product with a specific set of features, and the closure of Movescount loses people a significant number of these features. As I’ve said before, voting as a ‘community’ via surveys etc is a way to generate new features but these should be in addition to what people already have. The patronisation from Suunto when people request what they’ve already got is crazy, ‘if you’re lucky you’ll maybe see it included in an upcoming release’, like we’re five years olds being given sweets.
Wish you had my watch, it is great for my activities.
Yup, it’s great for your activities. Yet again you fail to see that many other people have clearly bought these watches for use in a different way. The enhancements to the App so far clearly work for you, but that doesn’t mean they work for everyone, nor does it mean that the App is acceptable as it is. I wish I’d gone for the A3P rather than the Spartan as the A3P does nav better without the need for a clunky touch screen, but then with the destruction of MC A3P users will be even more boned than us Spartan users (at least Suunto appears to promise POIs in the app before MC is finally given the death sentence). Not everyone wants flash stuff for showing off down the gym or at a running race, some of us want the basics as back up for mountain environments.
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@chrish POIs can be added directly on the watch. They are not managed on the app yet but hopefully will be. Waypoints are fully functional.
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@Brad_Olwin You can manually enter coordinates in advance, or you can record where you’re standing?
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@Ennoch said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
@Brad_Olwin said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
Not everyone wants flash stuff for showing off down the gym or at a running race, some of us want the basics as back up for mountain environments.
As I stated previously I do a lot of off trail mountaineering up to low class 5 but mostly class 4 on my trail runs. I also do a lot of SkiMo in the winter on peaks up to 4400m. These are off trail routes not in a gym and at least for me qualify as mountain environments. The Suunto 9 baro serves me better than my A3P for these.
I won’t go on further but will reiterate that we all have different opinions. I happen to be happy with what I have. Are there improvements I want? Sure, but my watch is fully functional as is. -
@Ennoch record where I am standing but I can use waypoints on a route to record ahead of time or use SuuntoPlus bearing for a line of sight direction or for a bearing on a map.
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Okay, so exactly the same path we’ve trodden before in previous threads, and your simplistic response doesn’t help - recording POI’s where I’m standing is useful and expected, as well as possible on my Spartan, but absolutely useless for navigation. I don’t want to know where I’m standing, I should know that, I want to know where I need to be!!). Planning a route in advance is fine, and I use it a lot. Having waypoints in that (per the app) is a useful addition but that implies you know in advance what you’re doing with regards an itinerary.
What’s missing here, and what we keep banging our bloody drums about is that POI’s are able to be created in advance and sent to the watch. You clearly never navigate this way, but very frequently I’ll have a known place I want to end up at (gully top on a featureless plateau, avalanche box, bothy, hut or water source etc) but not know in advance which direction I’ll be approaching that from. Therefore they’re logged in my watch relevant to the area I’ll be in and then used as/if necessary for navigation. See? I don’t always want a pre-populated route, most of the time I navigate with a map and compass, or just wander/ride and then want to get back to a known spot. Pre recorded POIS are thus a critical part of how I use my watch. Remove them and the watch becomes redundant. Clearly I’m not the only person to use the watch in this way given the number of people on here who also want POI’s to be implemented in the app.
Another useful thing to have in the Spartan would be the possibility to enter coordinates manually on the fly via the watch, but that ship has clearly long passed given the Spartan has long since ceased to see development.
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@Brad_Olwin you can’t enter a POI, you just record one. Useful to back track. Useless to go to a new place ‘in the field’. I can enter lat/long on my Ambit, or a Traverse. You can’t do that on a Spartan (which is why I dumped it) and you can’t do that on the S-series. Maybe an S7 cuz it’s Android, dunno, but definitely not on the S9.
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@chrish said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
@Brad_Olwin you can’t enter a POI, you just record one. Useful to back track. Useless to go to a new place ‘in the field’. I can enter lat/long on my Ambit, or a Traverse. You can’t do that on a Spartan (which is why I dumped it) and you can’t do that on the S-series. Maybe an S7 cuz it’s Android, dunno, but definitely not on the S9.
Since movescount was not closed and movescount is still available can’t s9 still be used/connect with it ?
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@André-Faria said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
@chrish said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
@Brad_Olwin you can’t enter a POI, you just record one. Useful to back track. Useless to go to a new place ‘in the field’. I can enter lat/long on my Ambit, or a Traverse. You can’t do that on a Spartan (which is why I dumped it) and you can’t do that on the S-series. Maybe an S7 cuz it’s Android, dunno, but definitely not on the S9.
Since movescount was not closed and movescount is still available can’t s9 still be used/connect with it ?
And if it can, can’t it have pois management there?Yes you can. Go to seting on the watch, connectivity and ‘forget’ connection to mobile app.Connect watch to cable and sync with movescount will started
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@Ennoch said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
Okay, so exactly the same path we’ve trodden before in previous threads, and your simplistic response doesn’t help - (…)
What’s missing here, and what we keep banging our bloody drums about
See?Another useful thing to have in the Spartan would be the possibility to enter coordinates manually on the fly via the watch, but that ship has clearly long passed given the Spartan has long since ceased to see development.
Ok, I asume your tone is not what I’m reading. When another moderator is trying to help and got answers like this, without any thanks, empaphy and even disrespect in the answer like you are the only clever in the room is so frustrating. You are talking with a people about a watch. Someone is trying to help.
I won’t argue with these comments but I would delete every single post or word disrespectful.
We are here to help, even communicate with suunto and with the all the feedback have better watches and community, but for sure, we don’t deserve these kind of answers.
Think about it, if these is what deserves someone who is trying to help or not.
Sorry for the tone, but I think is enough at this point.
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@Bulkan said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
Sorry for the tone, but I think is enough at this point.
Where we’re at though is a bunch of us were/are about to have our watches rendered useless for our needs by the company choosing to switch the services off - and very little of what we say is anything personal but instead sheer exasperation at Suunto. However, when people re-iterate the same point on ‘oh we’re lucky Suunto listen to our feedback’; or ‘of course you can still do POI’s’ when we’ve given very clear reasons as to why we can’t, can you see why we’re getting frustrated? Dogmatic assertions that something is amazing, even after we’ve explained very clearly why it isn’t for us, are very frustrating to read. Brad is very aware that our issue with POIs isn’t the ability to create them on the watch, although I do wish the Spartan had the same functionality as the A3P for creating them manually, but instead the inability to create them in advance of a trip. So to then come and say that POIs are still available is disingenuous as it implies the functionality hasn’t changed, when it very much has, or will potentially do.
Maybe it’s the combination of geographic locations that causes the distinct divides here, or differing use of language, but having someone basically ignore our clearly stated reasons for something being an issue is frustrating.
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@Bulkan said in Closing of Movescount is delayed further to 2021:
You are talking with a people about a watch
Many times I have to remind my self about this and break out my tunnel vision.
Thanks @Bulkan
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@Ennoch as I said, I won’t argue with the reasons of Movescount, POI, structured intervals or whatever the frustration of we could ever have with a watch.
Movescount is until 2021.
There is not POI as you want in Spartan or S line at this moment.
We are here to help, even in all those situations where we get our ass kicked or some tones that I really think are unfair.
We don’t decide. We elevate feedback and some achievements, really importants, came from this forum.
So, I think this post is not going anywhere until 2021 so I’m closing it.
If you want POI there is a post about it. I already vote and asked for it.
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