So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?

Prenj

@stromdiddily said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj careful on the assumption regarding Garmin device dependency on their app or web service. Their entire ecosystem (including watches) went down w that ransomware attack a few months back.

But most of the watch settings could have been changed on the watch itself and you could still download your activities to computer and upload them wherever you like.

@stromdiddily said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj careful on the assumption regarding Garmin device dependency on their app or web service. Their entire ecosystem (including watches) went down w that ransomware attack a few months back.

In that time I bought an edge 530 and had zero issues setting it up and using all features that I needed. Configuration was done on the device. Files were also possible to upload somewhere and even updates could be done with the update file.

lohtse

@stromdiddily said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj careful on the assumption regarding Garmin device dependency on their app or web service. Their entire ecosystem (including watches) went down w that ransomware attack a few months back.

Show me a web service that this could not happen too… That is just the sign of the times and is something that you expect too happen… Shutting down a perfectly good service and making people use something not suitable is not what you expect… I would have liked to see IMPROVEMENTS…But hey what do we know …

pavel.samokha

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Shutting down a perfectly good service and making people use something not suitable is not what you expect…

Oh, come on, even big and rich companies shutdown services all the time https://killedbygoogle.com/

Prenj

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Shutting down a perfectly good service and making people use something not suitable is not what you expect…

Oh, come on, even big and rich companies shutdown services all the time https://killedbygoogle.com/

Got any really relevant example like from any other sport watch manufacturer that significantly degraded the service or removed many important features of watches they were selling at the time? I’m struggling to find any beside Suunto.

lohtse

@Prenj said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Shutting down a perfectly good service and making people use something not suitable is not what you expect…

Oh, come on, even big and rich companies shutdown services all the time https://killedbygoogle.com/

Got any really relevant example like from any other sport watch manufacturer that significantly degraded the service or removed many important features of watches they were selling at the time? I’m struggling to find any beside Suunto.

Same here… Even garmin don’t downgrade older device’s(friends still uses a forerunner 10 and a forerunner 620 which is FULLY functional) They simply incorporate them in to near platforms…

Suunto have set the bar as to how low they can go…

pavel.samokha

@Prenj https://www.polar.com/en/pptclosed Just dropped support for RC/RCX

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj https://www.polar.com/en/pptclosed Just dropped support for RC/RCX

How long had those devices NOT been on sale and how long had the service continued after the last sale of them??? Suspect was not like suunto has done… You know, selling the watches with lots of features even when they have closed the service that supports them.Which then kills alot of features etc

pavel.samokha

@lohtse these devices were actually released later than Ambit1 which is supported by Suunto App.

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse these devices were actually released later than Ambit1 which is supported by Suunto App.

BEARLY supported by the app… where as the Movescount system FULLY Supported them…And the difference The Ambit 2 built on the ambit 1 as did the Ambit 3(which is still being sold) build on the Ambit 2. And the platform was built to support them(and others) A platform that I still don’t see why it has to end!!!

Prenj

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj https://www.polar.com/en/pptclosed Just dropped support for RC/RCX

This was their previous web platform, no? And they have a new one? And they stopped selling those product how many years (decades?) ago? No, Suunto is still in the league of their own in this.

lohtse

@Prenj said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj https://www.polar.com/en/pptclosed Just dropped support for RC/RCX

This was their previous web platform, no? And they have a new one? And they stopped selling those product how many years (decades?) ago? No, Suunto is still in the league of their own in this.

Thats the point am trying to make with @pavel-samokha…

pavel.samokha

@Prenj @lohtse well, you started stating that no company shutdowns their “perfectly working” service and easily proved to be wrong (I tell ya as I was being as fan of Google Reader or Google Play Music as you are of Movescount). That happens with online platforms if we like it or not, companies have their reasons to do that and limited resources. You may nag at every topic about this but nothing a mere customer can do if company has reasons to do shutdown.

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj @lohtse well, you started stating that no company shutdowns their “perfectly working” service and easily proved to be wrong (I tell ya as I was being as fan of Google Reader or Google Play Music as you are of Movescount). That happens with online platforms if we like it or not, companies have their reasons to do that and limited resources. You may nag at every topic about this but nothing a mere customer can do if company has reasons to do shutdown.

Google is software based and there are far far more apps out there that are as good as or better than almost all their products so you can always find an alternative yet we have no better alternatives for the watch just a function reduce device with lots of additional services/site/apps we have to sign into got get some of the functions back… Yes you will argue about android phones etc… But google services are not tied in to hardware… where as suunto is a hardware company that sells them with a software platforms as part of the package. Very different

Ennoch

@pavel-samokha But neither of those companies required a large, up front, financial investment from the user!

lohtse

@Ennoch said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@pavel-samokha But neither of those companies required a large, up front, financial investment from the user!

Ooooooo forgot about that…

Fenr1r

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

nothing a mere customer can do if company has reasons to do shutdown

There might be for those who bought their (affected) watches post-MC shutdown decision (or announcement, whichever is within guarantee-time). But probably most effectively done collectively so, not “a mere consumer”, indeed.

There’s a word for selling a product the vendor knows will soon fail to operate as specified (regardless of ex-/post-sale information provision) and that cannot be repaired or replaced with like (because the failure is of the vendor’s own making). I’m just not sure if the required working period is the same as the guarantee in each jurisdiction for this hybrid hardware/software/internet case.

Prenj

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@Prenj @lohtse well, you started stating that no company shutdowns their “perfectly working” service and easily proved to be wrong (I tell ya as I was being as fan of Google Reader or Google Play Music as you are of Movescount). That happens with online platforms if we like it or not, companies have their reasons to do that and limited resources. You may nag at every topic about this but nothing a mere customer can do if company has reasons to do shutdown.

It’s one thing to kill old platform and offer a new one to your customers and entirely different when you decide that watches that you are CURRENTLY selling are too smart and the new platform will drastically reduce the feature set of this watches, while other currently sold watches of the same manufacturer get full support in new platform. So it’s not that people get just sentimental, they can’t let go the old platform because they loved it while the new platform offers better. The new platform is highly restricted for some watches and this is not due to hardware limitations but only because of management decision. It was decided that Ambit3 should be dumbed-down.

It’s one thing to stop supporting watches that stopped selling decade ago and entirely different thing to dumb down your current line of watches.

And it’s the undeniable fact that Suunto is the FIRST and ONLY manufacturer of sport watches that has ever done something like this!

pavel.samokha

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Google is software based and there are far far more apps out there that are as good as or better than almost all their products so you can always find an alternative yet we have no better alternatives for the watch just a function reduce device with lots of additional services/site/apps we have to sign into got get some of the functions back… Yes you will argue about android phones etc… But google services are not tied in to hardware… where as suunto is a hardware company that sells them with a software platforms as part of the package. Very different

Here you just trying to invent arguments to support your opinion. I bought Google Home device from Google (where google is manufacturer, not only software company) with Google Play Music support and now there is no more Google Play Music in it, the same goes on with WearOS-based watches. Both required upfront-financial-investments @Ennoch . And just to remind, Google has by far more resource than Suunto. But it still happens.

Of course, nothing would change your opinion, on the MC shutdown, but when you say “Show me a web service that this could not happen too” (which is true) regarding Garmin outage and then "Shutting down a perfectly good service and making people use something not suitable is not what you expect… " I can’t stand not showing you examples it happens all the time. And in even more brutal way. You may find any reasons why Suunto is different but all that just because you’re affected

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@lohtse said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Google is software based and there are far far more apps out there that are as good as or better than almost all their products so you can always find an alternative yet we have no better alternatives for the watch just a function reduce device with lots of additional services/site/apps we have to sign into got get some of the functions back… Yes you will argue about android phones etc… But google services are not tied in to hardware… where as suunto is a hardware company that sells them with a software platforms as part of the package. Very different

Here you just trying to invent arguments to support your opinion. I bought Google Home device from Google (where google is manufacturer, not only software company) with Google Play Music support and now there is no more Google Play Music in it, the same goes on with WearOS-based watches. Both required upfront-financial-investments @Ennoch . And just to remind, Google has by far more resource than Suunto. But it still happens.

Of course, nothing would change your opinion, on the MC shutdown, but when you say “Show me a web service that this could not happen too” (which is true) regarding Garmin outage and then "Shutting down a perfectly good service and making people use something not suitable is not what you expect… " I can’t stand not showing you examples it happens all the time. And in even more brutal way. You may find any reasons why Suunto is different but all that just because you’re affected

But you can use many other music services if you wish… I have both nest and alexa platforms and have never used google music nor would I. But then I have read that in a coming update to nest(formally home) Youtube music will be supported which is the replacement for Google music. And as far as I can tell from online forums though there are issues… most are happy…