Something new is coming
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@Theo-Lakerveld
Forgive me if I laugh, but normally people here complain that "new watches are always coming out, while they should think about improving their software ! "The new software does not bring suunto new money, except in the long run, retaining the current owners of suunto 9, suunto 5 and suunto 7, so I guess there will also be time for a new device.
Personally, I appreciate the fact that they donāt launch a top of the range every year and instead focus on improving what they already have at home.
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@Theo-Lakerveld COROS doenāt have an power meter (inside the watch), its all software that does this. I think there is even a garmin app for garmins in this respect.
While you said it correctly, development can continue via various tools that applies only to software. Hardware development is hard, imagine having to bring at home to each worker all the boards to test eg a new chip driver. Possible but applies limitations.
What point you missed I think here, is that while development can continue normally (remotely) if the factory cannot produce in a rate that is sufficient for paying the SW devs then you cannot scale the devs.
I hope it makes sense .
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@Saketo-Nemo Exactly
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@Saketo-Nemo ,i am ok. wait to see for the S9.
But Iām not sure I understand correctly, itās true that so much communication for just a new baro feature would be a disappointment ā¦ Iām one of the people who consult the weather before leaving, especially in the mountains. and in the event of an unforeseen phenomenon, if I am far away, an alert does not help me much ā¦
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@Rob33
Iām not a commercial and I donāt do marketing, but I think it would be stupid of them to release teasers detailing every feature of the update. It would take away the hype.
So, but itās just a personal opinion, I donāt think the new update is based only on new baro features -
@Saketo-Nemo I hope you are right
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@Rob33
Regarding this over-exposure, Itās just a matter of a disclaimer in the app ā¦ I donāt think this has reached that many people. I, as a spartaneer, didnāt get it.But people want new features, this forum is full of āfeature suggestionsā
That said, I guess most of the people that ācomplainā about the usability/need of this function, look the feature from a trail runner or 1day hiker point of view.
If you do multiple days hike this can be helpful, for sure not crucial, to have an overview about possible weather condition.
I always check the weather forecast the day before, and even before leaving home for a 1 day trip, but if we are talking about a 5 days on an alpine ridge trail, you know that forecast for that long period are not really reliable, so this āstuffā can be helpful (or better that nothing) not to mention the jumpiness of mountain weather.That said, watchface or activity screen is not the update itself, itās just one of the āvisibleā feature
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@chrish I join the topic
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos youāre right about the power ouput being a calculated metric, and not a measured value. Neither is a Stryd metric. Though, such innovation is whatās getting the crowd interested and drives sales and turnover. Especially when itās introduced in a nearly identical device, with a fresh look and a slightly revised name such as Suunto 9.1. We donāt need a new device, but the larger crowd wants it.
I suspect that youāre indirectly indicating that a new product has been developed but that, due to these practical production limitations, Suunto isnāt able to release it yet. Instead, we get a teaser in the shape of a (minor) FW update. You donāt need to answer that, being restricted by a nice NDA. Either way, pro-active management should be able to accomodate for such challenges to protect the cash flow in the end.
Please donāt read my comments as negative, but rather as constructive. Iām aware that Iām not discussing with Suunto managment and ownership here. I like the Suunto brand, I would love to see it surviving, even though competition is tough (ref. Apple, Coros, Garmin, etc.) and that they are still leaping ahead of Suunto.
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@Theo-Lakerveld I dont see it as negative. Dont worry I just try to explain that sometimes things like this are not easy to manage.
Re: power
There are already many algos out there able to give you power. Typically those can be used even in realtime for bikes , since long now.
The thing that COROS did well for example is that they matched stryd 1:1 for non trails. That benefits the user.
Polar did a good job as well, perhaps better than COROS on the trails but it doesnāt match stryd. So You will have problems if you use stryd once and another time polar power. Just an example.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Yes, Coros was smart, complying their algorythms with the gold standard (Stryd). Most cycling power meters were doing the same in the beginning with SRM.
Either way, thatās focussing on details that could make a functionality a success or a failure. I hope that Suunto actively uses this forum to get feedback about feature suggestions and drive innovation. -
Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Managerlast edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 9 Mar 2020, 10:31 3 Sept 2020, 10:31
@Theo-Lakerveld said in Something new is coming:
I hope that Suunto actively uses this forum to get feedback about feature suggestions and drive innovation.
They do, but ātypicallyā you do not you see a lot of innovative suggestions here. Not wanting to offend anyone, but typically we all speak about what we have seen from other brands etc.
But there are many people here that have given good suggestions and indeed innovative things. IF such a star happens believe me I personally try todo my best to reach more than one time the ears it should reach.
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If that first Time/Baro face is closed, locked down, sent off to college and wedded to the designers, disregard the following:
Pretty much everyone here seems to agree that a baro trend is of more use than a point value in determining imminent weather. (Hence the 2nd face [āETAā - possibly limited to sports modes?]) And what else is a single raw baro value for? Needs conversion to give alt, for instance, and thatās already available in what Iām assuming is the central tap-to-change field.
But perhaps the lower/inner dial could do more with that baro scale to provide useful at-a-glance info? (Perhaps it does already.)
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Change color according to recently rising, falling or static pressure. OR
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Alter the bright sector to cover the past rather than evenly bracket the present. And/OR
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Put a Pot of Trend (the simple 2-stage icon dating back at least to the Vector) at one end of the rainbow. Maybe instead of, or to balance the sunset icon*.
*Seriously, what IS that doing there? Does it represent a set sunset alarm? Is it to remind the user that the outer dial is turning anticlockwise?
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@Fenr1r said in Something new is coming:
If that first Time/Baro face is closed, locked down, sent off to college and wedded to the designers, disregard the following:
Pretty much everyone here seems to agree that a baro trend is of more use than a point value in determining imminent weather. (Hence the 2nd face [āETAā - possibly limited to sports modes?]) And what else is a single raw baro value for? Needs conversion to give alt, for instance, and thatās already available in what Iām assuming is the central tap-to-change field.
But perhaps the lower/inner dial could do more with that baro scale to provide useful at-a-glance info? (Perhaps it does already.)
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Change color according to recently rising, falling or static pressure. OR
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Alter the bright sector to cover the past rather than evenly bracket the present. And/OR
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Put a Pot of Trend (the simple 2-stage icon dating back at least to the Vector) at one end of the rainbow. Maybe instead of, or to balance the sunset icon*.
*Seriously, what IS that doing there? Does it represent a set sunset alarm? Is it to remind the user that the outer dial is turning anticlockwise?
I think you will be more than pleased. Technically I am happy to inform you so.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Since I have a Spartan, I reckon Iāll just be extra bitter. Consider my baro currently falling. But thank you for the thought!
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I guess that most of us use previous experiences to find out what is lacking. For instance, something that I always miss in the POI screen in the Ambit is the absence of a relative altitude reference (not only distance). I always thought that that data could easily be offered by the watch, but I might be wrong.
Being imaginative in abstract terms is another story. It would be good to know what kind of āstarsā you have found (letās say, really imaginative inputs).
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@moe67er said in Something new is coming:
@Brad_Olwin and those warnings are already implmented as I stated above in storm warnings, isnāt it? This feature is nice. It raises an alarm and you can react. But on a trailrun or skimountaineering day I never check barometric values while I am out. I do it beforeā¦ also for 3 day trips. And when I know there could be a bad weather it is ok.
And as said: storm warnings for e.g. fast incoming summer thunder storms are great and this feature should be implemented by all watches having a barometer. but I do not need the values of the barometric pressure itself.The storm warning requires a rapid pressure drop. In my experience for weather where I am, it is often insufficient for fast thunderstorms. I am not checking the values but having the graph has allowed me to make decisions about whether to summit a peak or not out on a trail run. I have been testing this feature for awhile.
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@Efejota yes as well. Lacking I forgot to mention but I think that is implied.
POI Screen or waypoint ?
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@Brad_Olwin I agree that it doesnāt warn very well. I was caught in a heck of a storm last weekend in the mountains at 12,500 feet, and nary a peep from the Baro warning.
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@sartoric said in Something new is coming:
Iām not chasing tech anymore since a while now, and I live better
so true