Ambit 2 and .... yes - WHAT?
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@johann-fuehrer said in Ambit 2 and .... yes - WHAT?:
And what is the place supposed to configure the Watch now? Still Movescount Webservice? For how long?
Just thinking out loud here: if there would be a link in Suunto App directing to watch settings at MC web (or whatever it will be called) , would Ambit & Ambit2 owners consider this as a progress? Compared to adding a direct link to www.movescount.com/gear/ manually to phone’s home screen, it would save about 1-2 taps/gestures per watch configuration sessions but would perhaps deliver a tiny bit more fluent user experience.
In other words, if for whatever reason you prefer to make those changes with your phone, just bookmark Movescount settings page on your phone’s browser right now and add it next to Suunto App icon
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@margusl what’s the point if there is no bluetooth syncing of those settings? You will still need laptop and cable. Totally ridiculous to kill this, but oh well…
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@Prenj , this topic is about Ambit2, so it’s all about bluetoothless to begin with. Would a config link to my original Ambit Black make a better point? I can also rename my link on my phone to My2ndAmbit if “3” in there somehow ruins your day
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@margusl sure would make more sense if you are not talking about ambit3
Anyway, my point still stands. No point for doing this on small screen when you will still have to sync it using your computer.
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Guys!! It’s not Bluetooth which is my problem! I’ts that I cannot even do anything in the app for the Ambit2 even I would sync later via cable! And I do not know where I sould do the settings so that I can sync later, no matter how!
Short: Ambit2 is great, best GPS besides V800 (dis another test last weekend, where Vantage V failed gloriously in Storm and ice whereas A2 held me on track!). What do I need to configure/manage it after Movescount is down?
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@johann-fuehrer said in Ambit 2 and .... yes - WHAT?:
What do I need to configure/manage it after Movescount is down?
It will not go down, at least not in next months and probably not in next few years. It will probably morph into something bit different and loose everything related to activity analysis and overview, but all those latest updates are mostly about that - Movescount (or whatever it will be called) web interface is THE interface for accessing settings for whole Ambit line.
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@johann-fuehrer
you need SA to sync your activities to a useful 3rd party desktop service
so the process is: do something that makes you happy and THEN, connect the cable, sync thru the cable anywhere that loads it to SA and from SA you can connect e.g. to QS or Strava
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@TELE-HO you forgot mention one very important thing. One needs to have a phone that supports Suunto App in order to be able to connect the third party service like Strava, e.t.c.
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Suunto created such a mess. So many people understood that movescount will be completely shut down and that’s it. Who knows how many have moved along and bought some other brand watch.
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@petmic
doesn’t that come with the cable?
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@johann-fuehrer as @margusl and others already said MC is going to stay exactly for what you need, configure your watch and send routes, etc.
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I guess many people, as me , understand this badly.
Suunto app, for ambit 1 and 2 will just be to Analyse the activities .
Then you need a computer with suunto link to sync them. And as far as I understood, to change settings on the watch you still do it on movescount web.
So why suunto release the suunto link for older watches ? To provide a sync to suunto app.
Guess it is that . -
Yes. My guess is that Suunto is buying time with this delaying and partly solutions. Ambit times are forgotten for them, face it, ambits are old
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@sartoric said in Ambit 2 and .... yes - WHAT?:
@zvonejan said in Ambit 2 and .... yes - WHAT?:
face it, ambits are old
That’s a fact
Yes, that’s correct and A2 is very old.
I have been in the mountainside last weekend for some comparison of following a track with S9, A2 and Vantage V.
The short conclusion:
A2 nailed it every time, even in the forest. On crossings it was definitely clear which way to go even without a map
S9 and Vantage were both about 10-15 m besides the track (I have used GPS+Galileo, because it was the best for me for running in urban area), a decision of which way to go on a 3 or 4 trails intersection would have been gambling with my life.I will definitely do some more testing, but in the mountains and dangerous area I would actually only trust my A2 (will get an A3 today to compare right now: €40,- for the Sapphire in great condition!! )
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external antenna always does its job
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honestly, I’ve never missed it, except with the first SSU and S9 fw.
To date, I simply don’t think Ambit (in my case 3) has a better accuracy than an S9 + beidou -
@André-Faria , do you remember this - https://forums.watchuseek.com/f233/help-needed-kailash-sync-4605859.html#post45388567 ?
There has been some Ambit support in Suuntonlink for quite some time, enabling it was just a matter of copying over one config file from Moveslink2. As Suuntonlink is required anyway for SW updates of newer watches, it was probably easier to push already existing Ambit-line support bit further than keeping old Moveslink2 alive.And why slaughter better part of Movescount (activities) and drag Suunto App into this?
I think there are both PR & technical reasons behind this and probably lot more unknown to us to make it (look?) financially feasible. From PR point it helps to draw an image that Suunto cares and develops also toward their existing customers. Though wish they had thought about it more before they actually sent out the first digital transition newsletter, it was like: “lets confuse those old-tech-hippies a bit, perhaps it helps with sales, we can always adjust our plans and coms later according to feedback”
From tech side there are probably way more Movescount issues than we can currently think of. One quite good example is this still ongoing Movesount routeplanner elevation issue, even old and mature solutions need maintenance & development resources, especial when external dependencies are involved. Another slightly exposed example is security & privacy which has been brought up by others before - MC web still uses plain HTTP , secure HTTPS is used only for logging in, in un-trusted network it means that your activities (incl. home & work locations for many of us), tagged bikes & other equipment and lot of health data is basically open to everyone who has control over that network. Or if it happens to be open public wifi, to everyone around you. And it does not just leak the information you are currently browsing, it leaks a cookie that will grant almost full access to your MC account. This is just one example, under the hood there’s probably quite a few mines hidden that are considered way more serious today as they were when Movescount development & maintenance was more active.
@petmic said in Ambit 2 and .... yes - WHAT?:
@TELE-HO you forgot mention one very important thing. One needs to have a phone that supports Suunto App in order to be able to connect the third party service like Strava, e.t.c.
Can’t check it right now, but I think it depends on how authentication is set up and this differs across those 3rd party services and I’m quite sure you can get by without a phone:
- register account at sports-tracker.com (assuming here that Suuntolink does not provide you an option to register a new account)
- use the same account in Suuntolink
- find a service where authentication can be triggered not (only) from SA but from service itself, e.g runalyze.com , probably quantified-self as well as few others.
I’m not defending Suunto in this mess in any way - I’m one of the first to grab popcorn when there’s a good bashing going on. But I do find the whole transition thing along with past & future development choices (everything went through though MC service for Ambits vs more offline options for newer watches) quite interesting to follow, even more so as a bystander without pouring too much emotions into it.
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@margusl Very interesting post. I like your summary of the … flexible … approach to customer interaction.
Another wrinkle is that Suunto must have lots of usage data on MC, possibly giving them an idea of the worst-case returns scenario from discontinuing MC-as-is. Out of total MC-related product sales, how many actual MC-users are there? 80%? 50%? How regularly are activities sync’d and viewed? Sports mode settings changed? Routes planned and transferred?
In some business school or other, somebody’s probably done a study on what proportion of people, when totally pissed off, will actually bother to demand a refund. And how many would seize on the opportunity regardless of alienation. And what part price plays in that, etc., etc.
