Suunto 9 Discounts

[Egika]

@Kai-Liu there will always be new products be introduced as long as the company exists.
It does not make sense to speculate and wait.
Get what you want now

[lexterm77]

@Kai-Liu

Releasing a new watch would require some major improvement like a new chip, lower power consumption, lower core voltage etc. I do not see anything at horizon that would matter for endurance sports except maybe for some new ideas on kinetic energy recharging.

GPS chipsets are at pretty much same offering as at s9b launch two years ago. And Sony leads other by a large margin in power consumption.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Chipset

[stromdiddily]

@lexterm77 give me 10 more hours of GPS tracking and I will gladly buy the next version, or an ability to stop/resume later.

25ish hours is not enough time for my slow a$$ and is the primary driver for me moving away. I want so bad for Suunto to come out with something that checks that box.

[Brad_Olwin]

@stromdiddily what is wrong with Endurance mode? That will get you 50h. With a belt on Best you should get 30-34h.

[stromdiddily]

@Brad_Olwin I like accurate pace and distance measurements and don’t want to buy a stryd?

Understood that 5 sec ping + fused track would be generally acceptable but why settle for that when literally every other flag ship watch has 35+ hours of tracking?

The majority of the items on my S9 wish list thread are pretty basic and mostly still outstanding. A lot of those boxes are also checked by competitors. I really like Suunto products but there is a widening gap emerging.

[isazi]

@stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 Discounts:

Understood that 5 sec ping + fused track would be generally acceptable but why settle for that when literally every other flag ship watch has 35+ hours of tracking?

Agreeable, but watches that have better battery life are also newer than the S9, that is already two years old today.

[lexterm77]

@isazi said in Suunto 9 Discounts:

@stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 Discounts:

Understood that 5 sec ping + fused track would be generally acceptable but why settle for that when literally every other flag ship watch has 35+ hours of tracking?

Agreeable, but watches that have better battery life are also newer than the S9, that is already two years old today.

What gps chip?

[isazi]

@lexterm77 the Sony one. Wasn’t the S9 the first flagship with the Sony? I’m just going by memory, haven’t had time to check.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@isazi yup you are correct. S9 came out as the first watch with this autonomy and the first watch with the Sony chipset.

[zhang965]

the first GPS watch comes with sony CXD5603GF should be amazfit pace .

[lexterm77]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Discounts:

@isazi yup you are correct. S9 came out as the first watch with this autonomy and the first watch with the Sony chipset.

What watch has larger batt life than s9b? But same chip, must be larger battery.

[stromdiddily]

@isazi yeah totally understand, Suunto set the battery life bar which has now been met and raised.

Was commenting in response to lexterm that releasing a new product doesn’t necessarily mean some quantum leap in technology.

[lexterm77]

@stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 Discounts:

@isazi yeah totally understand, Suunto set the battery life bar which has now been met and raised.

Was commenting in response to lexterm that releasing a new product doesn’t necessarily mean some quantum leap in technology.

I Agree, but it’s like releasing a Flagship laptop with same cpu after 2 years.

[stromdiddily]

@lexterm77 hahaha so true

[Brad_Olwin]

@stromdiddily @lexterm77 @isazi Suunto improved on the Ambit series with two models above the Ambit 1. Those were significant updates to the hardware that permitted functions not available on the prior models, A3P is probably the best example where BT connectivity was introduced and pinnacle of the Ambit series. My understanding is that everything Suunto could do with the Ambit was done and the next watch was a complete change (Spartan) with the current S9b as the flagship. If you look at past history Suunto is unlikely to release a flagship that is a minor update to the S9b. Suunto would want hardware sales from existing owners and attract new customers so I would bet the next model will be a significant upgrade, not a minor one. That said, I have no knowledge nor information, this is my guess on what they have done in the past. Suunto was the first with the Sony chip (interesting how other manufacturers were at least a year behind), first with smart battery management and still has the highest resolution screen. Since Suunto has their own manufacturing facility I’ll bet they can be more nimble with new technology. Anyway I am sure we will see an S9 successor but not sure when and I’ll bet it is a major upgrade. Suunto has pushed their maps into the S7 and my opinion is that the implementation is absolutely brilliant! Their engineers and designers put a lot of thought into this, I would love to see the maps somehow integrated into an S9 level watch, it would be a game changer. Anyone that has used the Garmin map implementation know it is fairly clunky. There really isn’t much the S9b is lacking compared to Coros or Polar, mainly some battery life and some additional training/analysis firmware. I think SuuntoPlus could be leveraged to bring the S9b close even though it is 2 years old. The successor will likely be that (a successor) and not simply an iteration. Just my 2 cents worth. And I am willing to wait, the S9b is a great watch and does what I need it to.

[Luís Pinto]

@Brad_Olwin i don’t like maps in Garmin watches. Navigation must be simple to read in a small screen like a watch. And like navigation implementation as there is in S9. Maybe the only missing is distance made and distance to be reach on a route in same screen. I love auto router programme in Suunto app. Very intuitive. I hope Suunto Plus give important things like auto intervals detector.

[lexterm77]

If A4 would be released with same screen, same functionality like A3 (intervals on MC app, but now on SA) , same high gain antenna that pick up signal under 2ft thick reinforced concrete ceiling, even an old two year old sony chipset that S9b and has, extended lap data like S9b does, I would buy it in a heart beat.

I don’t care about size, I want robust, good contrast glare free screen that will clear when you glance at it in heavy rain, snow or extreme vibration environments like piston powered single engine powered vintage ww2 airplanes.
I used A3Ps backlight to run on single tracks at night.

This cannot be done on a single watch. I like S series for every day, and for which S9b minus sw bugs is perfect for me.

But I also need something like Ambit, a military style robust in every way, big screen no nonsense expedition style gps tank with lockable buttons.

[Kai Liu]

If there is a product with S9 battery and a offline map like S7 I will immediately buy it …

[Saketo Nemo]

I am so passionate about these watches that I can be honest with myself and already be sure that I will buy suunto 9’s successor, whether it is an evolution of the current one or something truly new.

Having said that, I don’t see any major hardware innovations on the horizon other than the new generation batteries, for which I fear we will have to wait two (?) Years.

I am among those who like browsing exactly as it is now, but it is only MY use. When I am in the mountains in places unknown to me or already my exact track to follow, it is really very unlikely that I follow others and often I still have a plan B or C for the return, originally thought.

If suunto gave us the opportunity to create an itinerary even in the absence of data connectivity to synchronize it immediately with the watch, for me it would already be the top.

(cartographic) Map navigation can only worsen autonomy, other brands teach us.

Rather than investing in being, I would like Suunto to bring new software features aboard Suunto 9 or its successor, without me indicating which ones.

The key to keeping current users and “stealing” them from competitors is that: investing on heads, on programmers. But even this is a speech made many times.

[Luís Pinto]

@Saketo-Nemo the only three major hardware innovations at corner that i ser are: Less consumption processors to accomodate amoled screens, graphene batteries much better than lithium, and gps chipsets with dual frequency with low consumption.