S9B - nothing but problems, how can you praise this watch?!
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Yes, I mentioned it earlier here:
https://forum.suunto.com/topic/4198/calorie-estimate-very-low-for-cycling-activity/3Almost same settings in Polar and Suunto.
I wanted to test that today, but I was “distracted” with mentioned problems I had with calories at 0.
I don’t know if it was counting/showing calories during cycling because I started S9 and couldn’t see a thing on display so I followed data on V800.Maybe it is also resolved now with hard reset.
Probably tomorrow I won’t have time, but the day after tomorrow I will test that again.
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@Cuba1hr ok, I didn’t see it, reading with a baby and 4 hours of sleep two days in a row… sorry.
Let us know, is strange the thing about calories.
I use customs in all the sports.
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@Cuba1hr
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@Cuba1hr Ok, the restart should not have happened with SuuntoPlus. I have been using SuuntoPlus for quite some time now and have not had a restart in a long time. If it happens again, capture the logs in Suuntolink and send them to Suunto. You can copy the log link here and ping Dimitrios. If you have found a new bug they will fix it.
Second, the watch should not attempt to get HR on rubber. However, it does not have a contact sensor so if you start an activity with OHR on the watch will attempt to get a reading. Best thing to do is to turn off Wrist HR in the settings before the exercise.
If the tap on the screen is not giving you enough brightness, turn up the percent brightness in settings until it is acceptable, it can get fairly bright but will be better when it is dark. The backlight does not help when there is ambient light.
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@TELE-HO
Yes, 1 strap, 2 watches at the same time. Suunto over Bluetooth and Polar over 5kHz (like it usually transmits while sensor is under water or on Gym equipment). It should be the same data watches receive.I already reset the watch, so I guess the logs are gone.
I disable OHR for cycling while watch is on a bike bar mount, but this was only for taking picture of watches in dark when suddenly HR was showing on the screen.
Brightness with light on is enough even at 5 or 10% in my scenario. Of course it gets better as darker surrounding gets.
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Use white theme for better brightness.
Enable touch and backlight to manual , 2 finger touch sets leight to on.
Calories on cycling without a heartrate are low. This is a deliberate decision since especially indoor cycling has no watt input or hr. How would some predict those?also calories include bmr.
I read one by one your problems and I think you are just not used to operating the watch , you didn’t read the manual for some cases and started a bit aggressively to chat with people that try to help you.
If you think that backlight with the white theme is not ok for you (for me it lights up the whole f room) make sure you have not lowered the brightness or put powersaving on.
Regarding your comment about fused track etc I suppose you are not an ultra runner.
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@Cuba1hr
I might be wrong or I’m doing it wrong… but when I did S9B and A3PS comparison I had to check that first S9B gets the chest belt signal and I had to run without HR on the A3PS. When I stopped the activity I first had to stop S9B as it already had all the chest belt HR data and only then A3PS, as it will collect the recorded data later.
What I think is that your chest belt sends HR data to your polar watch and your S9B will not receive this data since it only measured OHR.and the rest, I agree with Dimitrios.
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@TELE-HO Polar chest straps, at least H10 can work at the same time with devices, one in one frequency and another in the other, or ANT+ and BLE. @Cuba1hr is right on that, I do not if there are issues or delays because I never tested it but the specs clearly says they they can “cast” two devices at the same time and in the app settings you can enable or disable it.
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@Cuba1hr replace H7 by a H10 and you will no longer have those issues. I have no issues sharing HRM with a H10 between a Vantage V and a Suunto 9 Baro
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@cosmecosta said in S9B - nothing but problems, how can you praise this watch?!:
@TELE-HO Polar chest straps, at least H10 can work at the same time with devices, one in one frequency and another in the other, or ANT+ and BLE. @Cuba1hr is right on that, I do not if there are issues or delays because I never tested it but the specs clearly says they they can “cast” two devices at the same time and in the app settings you can enable or disable it.
3 devices at the same times.
2 Bluetooth and 1 Ant+ (IOS Sufferfest app, S9 for Bluetooth and Element Roam for Ant+)
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@cosmecosta
nice, if it’s the same for H7, that @Cuba1hr has, then my suspicion can be excluded. -
@TELE-HO no. H7 only allows a single BT connection (plus a 5KHz broadcast)
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S9B is my baby. Wearing it day and night. I take it off only for shower.
I wear it because it is the most precise und accurate watch for me with outstanding features like fused alti, battery modes, battery duration, durability…
Watch also gets better and better with SW Updates…!
I went through much and I won’t go away from Suunto because I’m so happy.
No experience with Indoor… Always outside…
If you are serious in mountains and the long run, no other option (for me). -
@hel790 said in S9B - nothing but problems, how can you praise this watch?!:
@TELE-HO no. H7 only allows a single BT connection (plus a 5KHz broadcast)
then it still could be the reason why he does not see calories… well anyway, he has a bunch of inputs now to get his issues solved
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I still haven’t got the time for new longer exercise.
I don’t plan to use 2 watches in the future, but I wanted to see the differences in number.
Some things mentioned couple of times some of you ignored, that’s the reason I was detailed and again there are mentioned things that I confirmed are fine now.
White theme is worse without backlight. With backlight for sure is brighter.
Just for comparison, on V800 dark theme is much more readable without backlight, on Suunto not much difference. That’s cleared, backlight works.
I barely used backlight on V800 (and had physical button by the way), only in pitch dark if I didn’t have my headlamp on me in such cases.I have read the manual couple of times some parts. Touch enabled, but no light. That is now resolved after reset.
Calories on cycling in my case ARE HIGH on Suunto in my case:) I WEAR H7, once again.
Not an ultra runner, up to two hours are my runs max. I had couple of longer hikes (up to 10 hours) in my life.Difference between H7 and H10…for my needs H7 is enough and never had a problem (not using ANT+, memory, etc.). Maybe if the battery lid becomes unopenable I’ll be forced to buy a new sensor.
Most of my issues are resolved by hard reset as I mentioned earlier. My wishes on the other hand are for another topic.
Tomorrow we’ll see the difference again, is something still wrong or is it OK now with calories comparison.
First I start S9B to pick up the bluetooth signal and after that I start activity on Polar so it gets gymlink or whatever they call it. They should be similar in calories consumption, but I already mentioned that S9B exaggerates with steps count certainly.857 steps today (miband worn on dominant right hand), all day sitting and working in front of the computer and on S9B (left hand) there are 3210 steps. How?! That is something for urgent fix, unless my watch…is too sensitive for some reason:)
Remember it was reset. It is not that I am aggressive and mean, but there are still some of the problems mentioned by me or others. I know most of you want to help.
That’s just stupid because I know I have not moved at all today, to grab a lunch in the kitchen and back maybe.
Active calories 24 vs 112, 20$ vs 600$. Difference, the gap is larger with increase of steps in reality when active. -
@Cuba1hr I know something about how the body expends and produces calories. All I can say is ANY device that you can wear is giving a fanciful estimation of the calories that you are expending. Unless you have the proper equipment you do not have a good grasp on active calories. So you may think that one device is more accurate than the other but that may not be true.
Steps are another matter but there, the amount of arm movement will dictate the number of steps.
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@Cuba1hr said in S9B - nothing but problems, how can you praise this watch?!:
Active calories 24 vs 112, 20$ vs 600$. Difference, the gap is larger with increase of steps in reality when active.
Well, why stop at $20? You can get a plastic watch for a few bucks. Really! Comparing a mass market fitness band with questionable numbers to a premium sports watch, for which activity tracking is arguably an afterthought isn’t gonna get you far. You don’t buy Suunto 9 if tracking steps and calories is your priority. It’s like buying a nuke to do Hellfire’s job. Impressive, but total overkill.
24 active calories sounds pretty wrong, even if you sat your entire day. Even assuming 850 steps is correct (most likely it isn’t), we are talking 8-10 minutes walk. 2-3 calories over your BMR for a walk sounds way low, don’t you think?
Regardless, as @Brad_Olwin mentioned: the calories are most likely wrong and way off no matter what device you use. Unless you do metabolic testing at the lab, I’d just look at the trends in numbers and not specific numbers. Especially if we don’t know how they derive BMR, TDEE, now they adjust for detected activity, if HR is used or just standard METs, and so on.
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I agree in some degree with both of you, we have already gone through that topic once, to cash out that money and to say - no it is not for that…I just don’t agree there, they might just remove it from watch as well. In my opinion, better not to have it at all than be so wrong…and one is connected to the other, steps and calories. V800 was within 10% of miband values when worn. I know I mention it all the time, but it is the only one I have to compare it with. Bulky old Timex GPS doesn’t have that feature. Also S9B was bought to replace miband for notifications and vibrating alarm for waking up…and it is not powerful/noticable enough for that.
The watch wasn’t bought primarily for daily tracking, but when notifications set to ON it is very annoying when you get a notification in the middle of a day that you have spent 500 calories or made 10000 steps and yet you have to go for a run after work…which is mostly sedentary by the way.
If that is correct I would lose my belly from 2 last years without additional exercise:) I wrote that because it could be probably fixable, to a degree, with an update.
Also I am not sure if they fixed problem with Resources after you charge the watch. Unfortunately I am not using it because it is battery hungry (daily HR) and I prefer longer battery life. Another thing if you pay that amount of $$…and you get long battery life only during activity (again, comparing to previous watch). Instead of increased battery life we are getting shorter battery life and higher prices + features. Something like the phones nowdays. Garmin claims 3 weeks of battery (or more) on some models, but I don’t have it so I won’t say that’s true. I saw people praise Coros for incredible battery life.Also, mentioned earlier - Polar invented this technology and had the best algorithm for measuring heartrate and calories with chest strap so I trust them more than Sunnto or Garmin to be correct (nothing against Suunto to be clear, I hope everyone catches up). I remember a detalied article or comparison somewhere about that few years ago (not on their official site:)) .
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@Brad_Olwin
Steps are another matter but there, the amount of arm movement will dictate the number of steps.Brad, good day. I do respect your posts but this input makes me a bit confused. I think that to reach accuracy step counting shall be based on following assumptions: (1) count “whole” body acceleration( both vertical and/or horizontal),(2) skip to count the Occasional arm or any body part movements unrelated to walking process.
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