Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
I mean you are the best example yourself, right?
there’s QS and people ask for this and that to improve QS, to have more values to have a map, to have a connection between graph and track, to stack graphs, to do anything that people have in mind and you just do it… there’s even crop AND merge in QS.

And Suunto is not able to setup button customization and a lockbutton?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO yeah ok in this sense I get it. I really really get it

However, even this change, since its not well requested, is not made (at least with this FW).

That said we are in some hard time’s that “things are cut off”.

Don’t get me wrong. I am speaking very very very friendly tone wise. It does take a good effort to sync settings over watch/web now-a-days that things need to be HW wise tested (aka machines doing what people would press on a watch).

I just wanted to share the above publicly and to you only for helping. I am not debating Please people take it easy.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO To add, Suunto prefers to support an update that is well tested rather a wider range of x,y that ain’t.

At these times well, I think this is self evident right ?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
yes absolutely, don’t get me wrong either I’m not mad, just a bit surprised.
But it is as you said, things are getting a bit slower these days and I understand that completely. Health and safety first.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO its funny as the problem is not per se “developers remote work”, but even testers cannot run outside

dulko79

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos strap material has such influence on ohr readings? Is it because Nylon provides better tightness? Was it just for you better ohr or also for others?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@dulko79 you should consider that OHR / The WAtch the less it wobbles the better it works.

That depends on the person of course but imo silicone are not the best in line. Too much wobble at least for suunto that have more “heavy watches”. due to that nylon and velcro can be adjusted to not wobble depending on how you move your arms.

of course , I bet the majority of people can have a good OHR from silicon but not me

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9:

I bet the majority of people can have a good OHR from silicon but not me

Some folks are just halfway between holes. I get that.

not well requested

So … in the case of button customization and a lockbutton (and before the Current Unpleasantness), what would “well requested” have looked like? How did any other request reach implementation? Number threshhold + market research vector priority?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
I’m glad we are still allowed to go outside for running and cycling on our own with distance to other people. But if people keep hiking in huge groups in the alps it could be adapted, too. If that happens I’ve got to live on my TRX.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting… I tried all sorts of tightness… A tiny bit lose, tight, really right. Left arm, right arm… Waiting on a start screen for it to settle and lock… Some runs are fine and then just when I’m about to breathe a sign of relief, the HR goes off the rails. Sometimes in the middle of a run. For no discernable reason.

I’d definitely take 10% hit for better HR. Hell, I’d take 20%. I have S7 now for daily wear. As a training watch, with activity tracking and notifications off, S9 lasts forever.

Likarnik

But there are some changes on OHR side? Or it is just a coincidence that I had lowest average sleeping HR this night? Nothing special, slept good as normally, training is also consistent, no excessive rest. Will see tomorrow

Also min HR in HR graph is lower than normally… But that is good, I think it was giving me too high values compared to HR strap readings after I wake up. So far so good

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r Look up to some time ago (and still kinda) this forum is not for watch feature requests. I do from time to time collect watch feedback but not officially and I do ask “why/when” a feature is missing etc.

For example I asked just yesteday about the buttons lock and so on. Compared to other requests (from care and cross channel) indeed this is not on the top list. Easy todo? perhaps. But Iam not the one that decides. I can be a remdinder for PO to put that feature in the queue but only that.

Makes sense?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Likarnik No OHR FW changes in this release

Likarnik

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos so you say I just got fitter. I’ll buy that

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Great! Best watch by far far!!! Thanks. I can’t wait to try.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos BEIDOU in asian countries or everywere?

isazi

@mountainChris everywhere.

Saketo Nemo

GPS+BeiDou: i’ve tested yesterday. Just 2 walk of 10min each one. Very impressive track. Can’t wait trying it running

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9:

Makes sense?

Sure - not a dig at you personally. Just looking for an insight into how Suunto establishes its feature sets, and the place, if any, Forum interest has.

What’s on that “top list” and how did those items get there (and in what order)? That sort of thing. You might not have a (releasable) detailed concept of their feature-picking priorities, of course, but thought I’d give it a go.

As the watches do not, as yet, come with an anenometer, I’m trying to get an idea of the way the corporate wind blows so as to avoid ~~pissing into it~~ futile efforts.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r well perhaps this helps. With all respect to @TELE-HO

What will bring money ?

A new climb pro feature ?

Button lock that is requested by a few users?

What I think can be improved is to classify small task aka hygene (button lock) and others as features.

That said at the moment due to the virus thing, do consider the capacity and implications on changing things / delivering features.

This release was for example targeted to be bigger, but things went out due to no space for testing. People cannot and use less their watches, that includes testing as well.

On top of that a small hygene task (eg button lock) will need a whole factory (HW) rearrangement. There are machines there pressing buttons and doing automatations. Those need to be reprogrammed as well on all factory lines.

So yes, it might be 10 lines of code cahnge to allow a button lock but the whole procedure of that small task is bigger than people tend to think about.